Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Was that a joke?

If Lake wants to go, if we are happy for him to go and if Hawks want and can afford him (a few big ifs there) then Hawks first and second round picks for our second pick and Lake seems about what could be expected.

So in effect (roughly)

Dogs get - Pick 20, 39

Hawks get - Lake, Pick 26

We'd like more but its hard to see it happening. Possibly a good kicking Hawks fringe player (Savage? instead of the second rounder?)

Will you deliver Lake wrapped in paper with a perfectly tied bow to their doorstep, too?

You don't trade out AA FB's for the sake of it, and that's without delving into the loyalty/fabric of the club issue, unless it's an offer you clearly cannot refuse.

[Remi Moses]

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Will you deliver Lake wrapped in paper with a perfectly tied bow to their doorstep, too?

You don't trade out AA FB's for the sake of it, and that's without delving into the loyalty/fabric of the club issue, unless it's an offer you clearly cannot refuse.

Wouldn't think he'd get there again.If he said he wants out, then by all means.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Will you deliver Lake wrapped in paper with a perfectly tied bow to their doorstep, too?

You don't trade out AA FB's for the sake of it, and that's without delving into the loyalty/fabric of the club issue, unless it's an offer you clearly cannot refuse.

I think the issue is that Pick 20 and a downgraded pick just isn't worth it.

We already have a lot of kids on the list, and will soon have more. No doubt we need kids but Lake is structurally important, one of best performing senior players based on 2012.

Plus, Lake seems to have bought into what the coach is doing/preaching, has got himself fitter. Sure hes getting older by why do we want to offload him unless its a really good offer?

For a contracted player to leave we either have to want rid of him or they have to be prepared to pay overs. If you want someone elses guy thats the way it is, otherwise it would just be a lowball offer.

[1eyedog]

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Not so sure the fans will take kindly to 100point floggings every week because the club has traded an AA full back!

Well we put up with 70-80 point flogging for most of the second half of the year so I don't see much difference here.

[G-Mo77]

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I'd only trade Lake if we saw ourselves as clearly winning from the trade.

First round pick + a good player.

And that's the way it would have to play out. He's under contract so we would have to be blown away with the offer to deal.

[LostDoggy]

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Maybe if we got a decent 24-25 year old and a draft pick in return. Brian has 2-3 years left and I doubt he will feature in our next premiership quest.

Plus, we could remove ourselves of his contract.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Geelong did with Moloney and Colbert and got 2 important cogs in their premiership run in Mooney and Ottens.
Collingwood also did it with Tarrant.
Sydney have an extra $800K so they can trade them in without losing good ones in return.

Moloney was behind a few at Geelong
Colbert refused to stay at Geelong.

Both trades occurred before Geelong had established themselves as the genuine article.

[LostDoggy]

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Moloney was behind a few at Geelong
Colbert refused to stay at Geelong.

Both trades occurred before Geelong had established themselves as the genuine article.

What about trading Leon Cameron for picks that netted Hargrave and Hahn? If we can get a good price I don't think its the dumbest idea in the world?

[Throughandthrough]

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I would spew my guts up if we traded our lake. And I don't believe we
Will unless

A: he is the club stirrer and undermines the coach

Or B: we get Gary Ablett in return

[Bornadog]

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I would spew my guts up if we traded our lake. And I don't believe we
Will unless

A: he is the club stirrer and undermines the coach

Or B: we get Gary Ablett in return

This ^^

What about trading Leon Cameron for picks that netted Hargrave and Hahn? If we can get a good price I don't think its the dumbest idea in the world?

Trading out Leon Cameron was the worst thing we did, so no analogy. Who is to say we wouldn't have got good players with other picks that year.

[LostDoggy]

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This ^^



Trading out Leon Cameron was the worst thing we did, so no analogy. Who is to say we wouldn't have got good players with other picks that year.

Guess we'll have to differ, I thought it was one our best trade moves and by the way we got Gilbee with one our scheduled picks. Football has become a business, loyalty is pretty much dead. See Goddard. The only rider being, unless a club is looking at a premiership in which case players in a team will sacrifice pay for glory.

[KT31]

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The next two years are development years anyway..... I think it is fair to say that we wont make top two on the ladder regardless if Brian Lake stays with us or not......

The questions list managers need to include

"Can a player develop into a premiership player? If not get what you can for the player"
"Can we recieve over this odds for a player?"
"Can we pay under the odds for a potential premiership player?"

Short term thrashings dont mean a thing if the foundations for long term success are being established.

Shouldn' t the question be" Do you want to stay Brian".
"Yes" no worries you will be a Doggie for life.
"No" why not and what do we need to do to keep you at the club.
The 70's and 80's were littered with us trading a decent or great players for a crap players or two.
Let's not go back down that path.

[LostDoggy]

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If a good deal is offered for Lake, I'd be willing to take it. A first rounder plus a young player we want would do it for me.
He was good in the first half of last year for us but I thought he fell away in the second half (along with most others mind you). At his age, decline can be quite sudden. Unlike others who think Lake has 2-3 years in him, I think he only has 1. I think he will be serviceable next year with no guarantee he will be best 22 in 2014.
So if a good deal was offered, I'd be willing to forego next years output from Lake. In regards to trading him, I don't know why but I don't put Lake in the category of Murphy, Boyd, Cross, Gia, Morris as untradeable one-club players.

[Bulldog4life]

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Shouldn' t the question be" Do you want to stay Brian".
"Yes" no worries you will be a Doggie for life.
"No" why not and what do we need to do to keep you at the club.
The 70's and 80's were littered with us trading a decent or great players for a crap players or two.
Let's not go back down that path.

I am similar but my scenario is if Brian wants to stay he stays 100%, which I hope he does. If he says to the Club he wants out well that is different and we get the best deal we can for him. We only want players who are committed to our Club.

[AndrewP6]

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I am similar but my scenario is if Brian wants to stay he stays 100%, which I hope he does. If he says to the Club he wants out well that is different and we get the best deal we can for him. We only want players who are committed to our Club.

This same sort of comment came out last year, when some journos had him gone - only to have him stay! What's he done to indicate that he's not committed. IIRC, he's put himself through multiple surgeries, spent the better part of a year trying to get right, and in return he's had his commitment questioned? Makes no sense to me.

That's not a dig at you personally, just bugs me. Until we actually hear that he wants out, he's one of us.