Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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If a good deal is offered for Lake, I'd be willing to take it. A first rounder plus a young player we want would do it for me.
He was good in the first half of last year for us but I thought he fell away in the second half (along with most others mind you). At his age, decline can be quite sudden. Unlike others who think Lake has 2-3 years in him, I think he only has 1. I think he will be serviceable next year with no guarantee he will be best 22 in 2014.
So if a good deal was offered, I'd be willing to forego next years output from Lake. In regards to trading him, I don't know why but I don't put Lake in the category of Murphy, Boyd, Cross, Gia, Morris as untradeable one-club players.

The trouble with letting Lake go is we do not have another quality key positional player forward or back.

[Hotdog60]

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Which media outlet mentioned Shermo being traded?

News.com.au so don't read to much in it.

[EasternWest]

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News.com.au so don't read to much in it.

You just popped G-MO's bubble. I swear I heard the sonic boom from his air punch at the idea of getting rid of Sherman.

[G-Mo77]

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You just popped G-MO's bubble. I swear I heard the sonic boom from his air punch at the idea of getting rid of Sherman.

I'll wait for confirmation to do an air punch. I'll even throw a few extras in for ya.

[LostDoggy]

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The trouble with letting Lake go is we do not have another quality key positional player forward or back.

Lake as a quality key positional forward is arguable. Not sure what he's done there that justifies that. As a key back (and probably our finest ever), my opinion is that he only has one year left. I thought he struggled to the line this year and it only gets harder after you cross 30. So even if we keep Lake, he won't be a gun tall in 2014+ and will need replacing. The trade just means we start a year earlier with a nice pick (if offered).

[AndrewP6]

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Lake as a quality key positional forward is arguable. Not sure what he's done there that justifies that. As a key back (and probably our finest ever), my opinion is that he only has one year left. I thought he struggled to the line this year and it only gets harder after you cross 30. So even if we keep Lake, he won't be a gun tall in 2014+ and will need replacing. The trade just means we start a year earlier with a nice pick (if offered).

I think the point was that if, heaven forbid, we were to lose him, we wouldn't have any KP players at all.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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stronger rumblings for us to give up picks 5 and 6 for Jack Martin in the mini draft along with perhaps pick 9.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149203/default.aspx

I dont like the idea of giving up 2 high picks for a 17 year old. These high picks dont come often and should be used wisely

[Desipura]

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stronger rumblings for us to give up picks 5 and 6 for Jack Martin in the mini draft along with perhaps pick 9.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149203/default.aspx

I dont like the idea of giving up 2 high picks for a 17 year old. These high picks dont come often and should be used wisely

Apparently Jack Martin's don't come around often either.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Apparently Jack Martin's don't come around often either.

yes i dont know much about him but we apparently have done "thourough research" on him. He's obviously a rare talent and perhaps a number 1 pick if he entered next years draft so with that said he would be worth picks 5 and 6. I just have my doubts over players so young. Whilst he's obviously still young, he dones't look to have anywhere near an AFL body just yet.

[LostDoggy]

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If Jack Martin is going to be a dead set champion in every sense of the word, then I believe we go after him, so as to mould a team around him. The question is - is he worth it? I have no idea but everyone seems to rate him extremely highly. The club needs a true blue blood. And for me, it's a case of whatever it takes to get one. The rebuild starts with an identified champion of the future around which we build other hard nuts. In essence, by the time we get a team that has the majority of it's players having played 50 games, many of our older players will have gone. Therefore the current older players are not the key to the future. The key to the future is how well we draft the kids in 2012 and 2013 and maybe even 2014.

[Cyberdoggie]

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Apparently Jack Martin's don't come around often either.

There is someone on here that would know a lot more than i would but the description from shifter Sheehan is that he is a rare find as he is an elite athlete and footballer in one.
The draft combine has shown he is skilled off the boot, quick and can jump and kick goals.

The one knock on him is that he is very lightly built. Looks like a thin Lewis Jetta or Stephen Hill. However he does like the physical stuff and has shown his slight build doesn't stop him from playing an inside physical game. Should build up enough to not be a concern.

If he's the man we want and he's as good as people say then we should be prepared to do whatever it takes to get him.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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does anyone know if GWS has the rights to pick players from the mini-draft or do they just have rights to trade players in the mini draft?

[LongWait]

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does anyone know if GWS has the rights to pick players from the mini-draft or do they just have rights to trade players in the mini draft?

GWS tried to engineer themselves into keeping a MD pick last year and the AFL squashed it.

GWS must trade the MD picks and cannot trade for them to be returned to them.

They trade the picks - not specific players.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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the more i hear about Martin the more appealing he sounds. I guess if Melbourne don't have to give up pick 3 for Viney they will be front runners to land Martin if they choose to. Otherwise he is ours if we want him. Im really hoping GWS or more likely GC bid their first pick on Viney!

[Sedat]

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GWS tried to engineer themselves into keeping a MD pick last year and the AFL squashed it.

Your point is spot on, GWS cannot trade back into the mini draft. So it is in their best interests to engineer a favourable trade with another club(s) for the likes of Martin and Hogan.