Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

[Missing Dog]

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Why can't I like this post more than once ???

Who will give up their sc (guaranteed gf ticket) in the next ten years no me and I have 2 coz I still have my ex wife's!!!!

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No.1 contender Ugle-Hagan In Action
Afel.com.au
Published on Mar 3, 2019, 2:45pm

Debate will rage throughout 2020 about whether a club will pull the trigger on a bid for Ugle-Hagan at pick one, but if it doesn't, it is an interesting field of contenders for the spot on the eve of the season.

Elijah Hollands loomed as a real chance at the No.1 spot, having pieced together an exciting bottom-age season as a midfielder/forward.

But the 18-year-old will undergo a knee reconstruction this week after tearing his anterior cruciate ligament.

He will still be a relatively early selection, but a season on the sidelines all but rules out a shot at the No.1 position.

Recruiters look at the top end of this year's draft with more uncertainty than in recent seasons.

This time two years ago, you could have penciled in Sam Walsh as the likely No.1 pick.

Few thought there could be any more bulletproof players to come through the draft, and then Matt Rowell showed up last season, being the nominal No.1 choice for more than 12 months before Gold Coast called his name.

The early part of this year's draft shapes as having more talls and medium-sized players than midfielders, who generally develop faster and have an impact more consistently at under-18 level than their bigger counterparts.

West Australian Denver Grainger-Barras is already well on the radar as an early choice. The competitive centre half-back was excellent for his state at last year's under-18 carnival and although he missed out on the NAB All Stars 'Futures' clash on Grand Final day last season with injury, he is viewed as a genuine top-three chance.

Riley Thilthorpe is another tall likely to feature in the early selections. The athletic South Australian forward is 198cm but can be used all over the ground and catches the eye with his high marking.

Clubs will be closely watching the development of Ugle-Hagan, Grainger-Baras and Thilthorpe, with all three well-credentialed heading into their draft season.

If Ugle-Hagan is to be pushed out of the No.1 place, or the club that holds the selection doesn't choose to use it to bid on him, then Grainger-Baras and Thilthorpe are two of the main challengers.

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So Jamarra needs to be pushed out of pick 1.

So at this point, we have in effect pick one and a list the media rate as a serious challenger.

Good times.

[Bulldog4life]

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Do Jamarra needs to be pushed out of pick 1.

So at this point, we have in effect pick one and a list the media rate as a serious challenger.

Good times.

A pick one for a pick of eighteen plus whatever. I hope it comes to that.

[Bornadog]

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So Jamarra needs to be pushed out of pick 1.

So at this point, we have in effect pick one and a list the media rate as a serious challenger.

Good times.

A pick one for a pick of eighteen plus whatever. I hope it comes to that.

Just on that, assuming a club pulls the trigger, what do we have to give up?

[Mofra]

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Just on that, assuming a club pulls the trigger, what do we have to give up?

Pick 1 is 3,000 points, we get a 20% discount so 2,400 points required.

FWIW pick 18 is 985 points but I imagine we'd try and package our picks for a points surplus, then there are potential bids on Raak and McPherson to match. If we run out of points we go into deficit next year.

In practice, I cannot see another team using pick 1 on JUH. Teams spend all off-season selling hope and the most downtrodden team over the break has the lure of a pick 1 to sell fans. "Yeah, we got the player we thought was second best because we couldn't get the guy we wanted" isn't a great way to sell that message, especially as the trend is towards NGA and FS picks sliding a little as teams seem to now have a 'gentleman's agreement' to let those players slide a few picks.

The points drop dramatically after the first few picks - from 3,000 at pick 1 to 2,517 at pick 2 (2,014 after discount) to 2,234 at pick 3 (1,787 after discount).

[bulldogtragic]

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Just on that, assuming a club pulls the trigger, what do we have to give up?

Pick 1 is 3,000 points, we get a 20% discount so 2,400 points required.

FWIW pick 18 is 985 points but I imagine we'd try and package our picks for a points surplus, then there are potential bids on Raak and McPherson to match. If we run out of points we go into deficit next year.

In practice, I cannot see another team using pick 1 on JUH. Teams spend all off-season selling hope and the most downtrodden team over the break has the lure of a pick 1 to sell fans. "Yeah, we got the player we thought was second best because we couldn't get the guy we wanted" isn't a great way to sell that message, especially as the trend is towards NGA and FS picks sliding a little as teams seem to now have a 'gentleman's agreement' to let those players slide a few picks.

The points drop dramatically after the first few picks - from 3,000 at pick 1 to 2,517 at pick 2 (2,014 after discount) to 2,234 at pick 3 (1,787 after discount).

I agree with Mof for that and a second reason. It's a terrible look for the AFEL. For Gil to walk out on Pick 1 and then have to walk bck out 4.30 minutes later to say it's a matched bid. The optics are not very good for ego maniac and an egomaniacal organisation.

To save my precious fingertips from writing much more, the list management guidebook thread I started last year goes over all this in detail. There's a lot of different plays for Sam Power to execute.

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Twomey’s view on JUH:

https://www.afl.com.au/video/381368/will-a-tall-break-the-no-1-pick-drought-in-2020?videoId=381368&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1583283338001&tagNames=ProgramCategory:Must%20Watch

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Both Cooper & Kobi West trained with Calder over Summer. Waiting to see if they made the 2020 squad.
Obviously MacPherson (FS) & Raak (NGA) are running around again.

From Draft Central:

Oakleigh's Chargers Preview...

Of those with family ties from the AFL, Bond said there were a number of father-son prospects who could follow their father’s into the elite level, but still had plenty of development left in them. Among the familiar names were Tex Wanganeen, son of Essendon and Port Adelaide great, Gavin, Tom Silvagni (Stephen, Carlton), Harrison Free (Tony, Richmond), Maurice Rioli Jnr (Maurice Snr, Richmond) and Sam Darcy (Luke, Western Bulldogs). Of the more talked about talents are the NGA members with Reef McInnes (Collingwood) and arguably the most talked about player in the entire draft, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan who is attached to the Western Bulldogs’ NGA.

Sam was 191cm last year in U/16's so I'm looking forward to his height/weight for this season.

We may have 6 linked players running around this year, for the next two drafts. Good to be us.

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Draft Central - Western Jets Preview (Cody Raak is Priority Access via our NGA):

One of the more experienced talls is key defender Cody Raak, with the Vic Metro hub member having a “seamless” pre-season. For the Jets’ other hub member, Eddie Ford, it has no been as seamless, with a few injuries over the summer but is on track to still have an impact early in the season.

“I think both Eddie and Cody possess qualities that clearly make them capable players at Victorian Metro level. They’re well and truly deserved of being in those programs,” Williams said. “They’re both driven individuals who are keen to get the best out of themselves so they’re tracking well. “Obviously Eddie hyperextended his knee last week and he’s had a few ankle injuries over the summer which has affected his preseason but he’s a natural footballer and I’m sure he will adapt to the games once they start. Cody’s pre-season has been seamless really. “He’s improved some of his athletic components that he has to improve and he’s a natural footballer as well so once the games start you’ll see the best of him.”

In terms of positioning, Ford’s goal will be to move from being a high-flying forward into a consistent midfielder, something Williams said injury-permitting will happen. It might be a few rounds before he works his way into the onball group, coming back from injury. However Raak will be placed in his familiar key post in the back 50, but has the capability of going forward and taking some strong marks down there.

“It’s a goal of Eddie’s to go through the midfield,” Williams said. “We intend to support him with that. “He’s had an interrupted pre-season as I mentioned so we’re going to have to build into that midfield time. “He will start off in the forward line but eventually will see some midfield time. “Cody while being very comfortable and valuable to us down back, he does have the ability to play forward, he has in the past, and he might get some time forward, but ultimately he will hold down that key position defender role for us to think.”

[Bulldog4life]

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Draft Central - Western Jets Preview (Cody Raak is Priority Access via our NGA):

One of the more experienced talls is key defender Cody Raak, with the Vic Metro hub member having a “seamless” pre-season. For the Jets’ other hub member, Eddie Ford, it has no been as seamless, with a few injuries over the summer but is on track to still have an impact early in the season.

“I think both Eddie and Cody possess qualities that clearly make them capable players at Victorian Metro level. They’re well and truly deserved of being in those programs,” Williams said. “They’re both driven individuals who are keen to get the best out of themselves so they’re tracking well. “Obviously Eddie hyperextended his knee last week and he’s had a few ankle injuries over the summer which has affected his preseason but he’s a natural footballer and I’m sure he will adapt to the games once they start. Cody’s pre-season has been seamless really. “He’s improved some of his athletic components that he has to improve and he’s a natural footballer as well so once the games start you’ll see the best of him.”

In terms of positioning, Ford’s goal will be to move from being a high-flying forward into a consistent midfielder, something Williams said injury-permitting will happen. It might be a few rounds before he works his way into the onball group, coming back from injury. However Raak will be placed in his familiar key post in the back 50, but has the capability of going forward and taking some strong marks down there.

“It’s a goal of Eddie’s to go through the midfield,” Williams said. “We intend to support him with that. “He’s had an interrupted pre-season as I mentioned so we’re going to have to build into that midfield time. “He will start off in the forward line but eventually will see some midfield time. “Cody while being very comfortable and valuable to us down back, he does have the ability to play forward, he has in the past, and he might get some time forward, but ultimately he will hold down that key position defender role for us to think.”

Key position back is what we need. Interesting to see if we pick him up.

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Key position back is what we need. Interesting to see if we pick him up.

Not much doubt about it from the tea leaves I read. Just the draft points cost. He played some good footy last year and trained with Collingwood and us over Summer and is part of the Vic Metro hub. With Jamarra in the Vic Country hub, they could line up on each other t the champs. Which could be fun.

[Twodogs]

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Not much doubt about it from the tea leaves I read. Just the draft points cost. He played some good footy last year and trained with Collingwood and us over Summer and is part of the Vic Metro hub. With Jamarra in the Vic Country hub, they could line up on each other t the champs. Which could be fun.

Apparently Libba and Luke Dalhaus didn't get along at all in their junior years and they clashed constantly to the extent that when Luke was picked up by us in the Rookie draft he thought "How am I going to get along with that turd inside the four walls?"

Fast forward to October first 2016. There are a couple of minutes left to play out, a pack forms, Luke goes to his position at the foot of the pack and he's waiting for the umpire to bounce the ball when he realizes that somebody is tapping him on the back. He turns around and Libba is standing there with a huge smile on his face and he say's "Lukey, the siren is going to go in a couple of minutes mate and I am going to give you the biggest hug you have ever gotten!"

Watch when the siren goes, Libba makes a beeline for Dalhaus. It's great to see..

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Draft Central, Northern Knights Preview:

A well-focused preseason has payed dividends for some of the team’s prime movers, with the Knights’ two Vic Metro Hub prospects – Nikolas Cox and Liam McMahon – and potential Western Bulldogs father-son Ewan Macpherson returning positive athletic testing results. Cox and Macpherson particularly impressed Gieschen with their 2km time trial results, setting the tone for a team which boasts some strong runners.

“One thing that we really will pride ourselves on this year is our running ability,” Gieschen said. “All the fitness test indicators identify the fact that our core group are really, really strong runners – our 2km times were exceptional.”

“Nik Cox is really professional in the way he goes about things, he’s obviously a really exciting talent – 199cm and he just ran a 6.05 on his 2km time trial which puts him in the absolute elite category of anyone who’s ever come through these programs with his endurance,” he said. “He kicks the ball really well on both feet and makes good decisions, we’ll likely play him centre half-back and we’re really keen to see how he continues to develop because he’s certainly got a lot of weapons at his disposal.

“Ewan’s had a really strong preseason. “He’s taken his 2km time from seven minutes last year down to 6.30 which was a huge effort from him and testament to how hard he worked over the break.”

[Mofra]

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"returning positive athletic testing results" - I really wish in the current environment they wouldn't use that phrasing!

6.30 for the 2km is really, really good.