Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

Draft Centrals Scouting Notes on Raak in the above game:

#20 Cody Raak (Western Jets)
8/10/2002 | 192cm | 80kg

Coming into the game as one a well known name, the Western Bulldogs NGA prospect looked to be one of the more confident and comfortable players throughout the game. Started in his usual role in the defensive half as a safe pair of hands to chop off incoming Country bombs, where more often than not he’d look to switch the play or hit a central option after marking in an effort to get Metro moving in transition quickly. When Metro started to comfortably get on top in the second quarter, Raak pushed up to ground to do the same sorts of things, giving the Country defence no rest. Not content with a solid defensive display, Raak moved forward in the second half, where the aforementioned marking skill came out again, paired with some really good leading patterns that resulted in him finishing with two goals for the day.

[The Doctor]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

If the ND scenario was to occur, he would be counted in our 3 minimum picks. The issue for Sam Power I’d say Darcy goes 20 & Raak 30. We’d need a heap of draft points, which we are not close to having.

We have the option of trading our 1st rounder to gain more draft points like we did last year.

However I think the club would ideally like to use their first rounder in the draft hopefully before any bids on Darcy etc or if not use it in a trade for a decent KPD for instance. It seems most likely we will be trading out a few fringe types and hope to get the draft points we need from that.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

We have the option of trading our 1st rounder to gain more draft points like we did last year.

However I think the club would ideally like to use their first rounder in the draft hopefully before any bids on Darcy etc or if not use it in a trade for a decent KPD for instance. It seems most likely we will be trading out a few fringe types and hope to get the draft points we need from that.

I will post a more detailed response later, it’s a tough question.

[azabob]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

We have the option of trading our 1st rounder to gain more draft points like we did last year.

However I think the club would ideally like to use their first rounder in the draft hopefully before any bids on Darcy etc or if not use it in a trade for a decent KPD for instance. It seems most likely we will be trading out a few fringe types and hope to get the draft points we need from that.

I will post a more detailed response later, it’s a tough question.

I think we need to keep hitting the draft, especially in the first 2 rounds.

On the flip side trading out fringe players like Lipinski does leave us vulnerable when injuries do hit.

[The Doctor]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

I think we need to keep hitting the draft, especially in the first 2 rounds.

On the flip side trading out fringe players like Lipinski does leave us vulnerable when injuries do hit.

During Sam Power's regime we have kept our first rounders and it's a sensible policy. He has found other ways to get the trades done. It's a good draft this year and I hope we keep it and keep adding fresh young talent to the squad.

As for Lipinski if he doesn't do something about his contested game & his defensive intent others like Weightman, Garcia and West will go past him.

[bulldogtragic]

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Alright, I’ve had a few coffees and ready for my first attempt.

The critical issue is the lack of a second rounder and third rounder. There’s also a restriction on trading the 2022 second and third too, unless we find another second and another third to replace them. This is job one.

Hypothetically speaking, let’s say Wallis exercises his free agency rights and we get a third rounder in compo, Pick 52. We are half way there. Say a JJ, Lippa or Richards want a trade and we get a second rounder, let’s just say Pick 27.

Pick 27 is 703 Draft Points, and Pick 52 is 246. With our currier Pick 70 (39 points) we have a total of 988 Draft Points.

Now say Darcy goes 21 & Raak 25 for argument sake. That’s 878 & 756 Draft Points needed, less 197 point discounts on both. So we need 1,240 Draft Points.

So 1,240 needed less the 988 from the two players leaving. That’s a shortfall of 252 Draft Points. Equal to Pick 52. And because we can future trade again, Sam Power can live trade a 2022 Pick to avoid a deficit. If either was to slide, it could be as little as trading a future third to get both without deficit. If Darcy went a little higher, we might need to part with a future second to avoid deficit. If there are fringe trades like Cordy, Young etc, depending on the draft point value of the trade we could conceivably not need to future trade.

So if Raak decides to go to the ND and gets to us, we can get him and Darcy too.

Now we still have our first rounder and let’s say we can secure a really good KPD. Now we have that player, Darcy, Raak, Keath, Gardner and possibly Cordy or Young. Of defensive stocks look great, our forward stocks less a small crumbing player look great and midfield is brilliant.

Out: Wallis (FA), JJ/Lippa/Richards, Cordy or Young, Jong retired and delisted Hayes & Cavarra (6)
In: Seasoned KPD, Darcy, Raak, live selection, Sweet & Khamis (6)

The list re-balances to the four player rookie list. We’ve invested big time in our biggest weakness and yes we lose a couple of players, but we have kept good depth, we’ve hit the draft after the trade weeks and we are better off overall. If we don’t get Raak then things are straightforward. But as it stands, securing a second and third rounder this year seems to be the critical move if the club thinks both Darcy & Raak are real options. I think we need the future trade option because if Raak goes at Pick 19, we are sitting on a bunch of points and no one to use them on. If we do the bulk of the draft point collection and be at the ready to future trade, we cover all bases. I think we can all trust Sam Power to live trade through whatever comes his way.

So that’s my thoughts on a scenario where Darcy & Raak are live options come the draft.

[ratsmac]

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If we put Dunkley on the long term injury list before the mid season draft can we take Raak then? If so can we get Dunks back later in the year? By then we could have other players done for the season injury wise on put them on the LTIL when Dunks comes back.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

If we put Dunkley on the long term injury list before the mid season draft can we take Raak then? If so can we get Dunks back later in the year? By then we could have other players done for the season injury wise on put them on the LTIL when Dunks comes back.

Our NGA rights only apply to the ND. If he nominates I’d guess he’s gone by our selection. Ideally he won’t nominate, if he wants a good shot at getting to us.

[ratsmac]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

Our NGA rights only apply to the ND. If he nominates I’d guess he’s gone by our selection. Ideally he won’t nominate, if he wants a good shot at getting to us.

Well that settles that then! Thanks

[Bornadog]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

Our NGA rights only apply to the ND. If he nominates I’d guess he’s gone by our selection. Ideally he won’t nominate, if he wants a good shot at getting to us.

I am not convinced about Raak? Is he any good?

[bulldogtragic]

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I am not convinced about Raak? Is he any good?

He’s dominating this year. From the match reports I’ve read this year (and his bottom age year), I’d be happy to have him at this stage.

[divvydan]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

I know he's part of our NGA and playing with the VFL team this year but given we've already overlooked him twice so far, is there any reason to think that he would not nominate for a draft just in the hopes that we would take him at the end of this year?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

I know he's part of our NGA and playing with the VFL team this year but given we've already overlooked him twice so far, is there any reason to think that he would not nominate for a draft just in the hopes that we would take him at the end of this year?

I’ve said it before, he should nominate for the MSD unless we give him an iron clad commitment/guarantee that we will bid on him. If he’s developing ahead of where we expected that’s not an inconceivable thing.

[bulldogtragic]

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On an aside I’ve been researching the mechanism of NGA matching bids this year. The AFEL Rule 6.6 allows for the General Counsel of the AFEL to make a determination about priority access, specifically NGA. He can make an exception if he is given a persuasive case. So...

Sam Power is a very smart lawyer first and foremost. In a hypothetical world, let’s say Raak went late top 20, assuming he was in the ND. I think Power can potentially argue that Raak was eligible last year and has an extra 12 months dispensation with other overlooked NGA kids. Further that he could’ve been drafted last year except for COVID restrictions limiting Raak from playing. The rules then allowed for matching bids in the top 20. So the fair application of the rules is to not penalise the player and the club is to allow non-drafted last year be allowed to be matched top 20 bids. This might not affect any player, or maybe just one or two. Obviously all new 2021 NGA kids are bound by the new rule. Such a determination would be very limited and have little to no imbalance to the draft purity.

If the AFEL General Council agreed that in a very limited sense that the 2020 draft NGA rules should apply only to 2020 non drafted NGA kids to not further penalise players and clubs more than the extraordinary COVID circumstances have, then any club with a non drafted 2020 NGA player would be guaranteed to secure them at the National Draft. Whilst still paying fair market value in draft points.

Raak or not, if any of the 18 clubs passed on NGA/Academy players because COVID Restrictions stopped the kids playing then I think 2020 NGA Eligible players should, as a matter of fairness, be subject to the 2020 rules that they would’ve been subject to if COVID hadn’t happened. It’s maybe a couple of players who still need to be matched at the market value. It wouldn’t apply to 2021 kids. It’s not a huge determination for the AFEL GC to make, but I’d support it. If a club had got to see a NGA kid for 20 games last year they may well have drafted and matched bids on them under 2020 NGA draft matching rules. It’s essentially the same principle the AFEL exercised by giving those non-drafted NGA kids special dispensation of another year this year. It’s not much ‘special’ to allow them another year in an NGA but much more restrictive/banned from getting to their club. It follows that rules need to follow the kids. 2020 kids, 2020 rules.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Future Priority Access Thread (Inc. Father/Son, Academy Players)

He’s dominating this year. From the match reports I’ve read this year (and his bottom age year), I’d be happy to have him at this stage.

I get that his form in the NAB League is very good, but is overage. Not sure that will transfer as readily.
He hasn't really been more than serviceable at VFL and is not really KP size for the modem game.