2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

[azabob]

Re: 2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

BT, do we just rip the bandaid off?

English has put contract talks on hold, do we trade him Fremantle for baby giant Sean Darcy?

Darcy might not be the right player to target, but English clearly has lost the coaches trust.

[azabob]

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Our needs are more than we thought.

One ruck, maybe two if English is a forward.
A tall forward, to take heat away from Naughton. Not sure English alone is enough and all eggs in the Marra basket seems wrong.
Genuine KPD. Gardner has injury issues which need to be mitigated against. Cordy isn’t very good. Wood is a liability as the extra taller sort. Young will be out the door and Schache has less than a handful of game back.
Genuine small forward. Cody is a natural forward. Many including JJ are not. Playing them forward doesn’t make them natural forwards.

A small target strategy of Darcy and whomever at draft and tinkering trades will shut this window. We need to address how to improve the list rather than keep a bunch of honest but not very good footballers together with the main core.

Wallis, Lippa, Young and JJ bring Draft Points credits. But who else is tradable of real value that hasn’t already signed? Bailey Smith’s last three games will have more than exposed his deficiencies that it’s not worth it. The Free Agency List left isn’t crash hot.

I’m happy to hand over the second for Treloar. But the third for a bloke who looks like a good VFL player is reducing our capital again. For no real return.

Misread what BT said.

[GVGjr]

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No way I would be trading Treloar. He can play inside and outside and has pace. If he can remain injury free next year his upside will be huge. I felt last night we did not use him when we should have.

Aza, I think you might have misread BT's thoughts on Treloar.

[bulldogtragic]

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BT, do we just rip the bandaid off?

English has put contract talks on hold, do we trade him Fremantle for baby giant Sean Darcy?

Darcy might not be the right player to target, but English clearly has lost the coaches trust.

I follow the Dennis Pagan view of trading. That is, he said every player has a price, he’d trade Carey for 5 top 10 picks.

There’s not heaps of absolutely safe players. Everyone else has a price. If another club would pay it I’d do it. English is tradable, but it depends on the player coming back.

[azabob]

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I follow the Dennis Pagan view of trading. That is, he said every player has a price, he’d trade Carey for 5 top 10 picks.

There’s not heaps of absolutely safe players. Everyone else has a price. If another club would pay it I’d do it. English is tradable, but it depends on the player coming back.

OK, lets spitball this further.

English for Goldstien and a future late first round or early second round pick - which club says no?

[bulldogtragic]

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OK, lets spitball this further.

English for Goldstien and a future late first round or early second round pick - which club says no?

Maybe both. I’d imagine the media reporting Tim waiting to sign at least rates a mention at the WA clubs. Then I guess they Ned to be really keen.

Like Bailey Smith, clubs would need to look passed their second half of the year. The question is, what is Tim as a position player. Can you find something like that position for less?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I'm open to trading English in terms of the hypothetical.

He's not a ruck. He can spend some minutes as a ruck, but he's really a forward. I think he's OK as a forward, but his lack of intensity is a HUGE hurdle. He's basically a taller version of Schache.

Problem is, he's important to us because Bruce is gone and we use mids in the ruck.

As BT says, it depends what we can get but it's hard to imagine we get what we need (i.e. not draft picks).

[Bornadog]

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Good tall players are hard to come by, especially with English's ability around the ground. They also take so long to develop.

No way I would trade him in a million years.

[azabob]

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Good tall players are hard to come by, especially with English's ability around the ground. They also take so long to develop.

No way I would trade him in a million years.

Would you trade him for Scott Lycett?

[azabob]

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Maybe both. I’d imagine the media reporting Tim waiting to sign at least rates a mention at the WA clubs. Then I guess they Ned to be really keen.

Like Bailey Smith, clubs would need to look passed their second half of the year. The question is, what is Tim as a position player. Can you find something like that position for less?

I'm open to trading English in terms of the hypothetical.

He's not a ruck. He can spend some minutes as a ruck, but he's really a forward. I think he's OK as a forward, but his lack of intensity is a HUGE hurdle. He's basically a taller version of Schache.

Problem is, he's important to us because Bruce is gone and we use mids in the ruck.

As BT says, it depends what we can get but it's hard to imagine we get what we need (i.e. not draft picks).

That is the crux of it, what is Tim's best position? His lack of physicality hurts us as a team.

[Bornadog]

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Would you trade him for Scott Lycett?

Never. He will be 30 next year and Tim just turned 24

[bulldogtragic]

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Never.

In Bevo’s tenure we’ve traded (among others) Jones, Hamling (PP), Stevens, Hrovat, Stringer (PP), Adams, Roughead (PP), let Dahl (PP) go.

The notion of English being tradable for a good return doesn’t seem outside the realms of recent trading practice.

[Bornadog]

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In Bevo’s tenure we’ve traded (among others) Jones, Hamling (PP), Stevens, Hrovat, Stringer (PP), Adams, Roughead (PP), let Dahl (PP) go.

The notion of English being tradable for a good return doesn’t seem outside the realms of recent trading practice.

Jones left before Bevo.

The only one I would take back of the others is a fit Hamling.

You don't trade a 205cm player with upside.

[bulldogtragic]

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Jones left before Bevo.

The only one I would take back of the others is a fit Hamling.

You don't trade a 205cm player with upside.

I disagree, but that’s ok. I’m not advocating shopping him, but if he delivered a player in bigger need then I’m more pragmatic about trading. We’ve traded out plenty since Bevo has been here. As I say, it’s not unthinkable we could trade him for a good offer to a club that heard this week he’s not signing early. I’m not saying it will happen, but it certainly could happen.

We need to address 4 areas as quick as we can. Trading a player under contract would help us do that. Be it Tim or Bailey Smith (but his weaknesses wouldn’t see a viable offer). If we are not prepared to aggressively trade for need, then we may blow another year in our window. That’s unthinkable to me. The trade period exists for clubs to improve their lists. Trading fringe players and going into next year with JJ doing nothing forward, Naughton double teamed, Cordy & Wood hurting us and non rucks rucking or worse hoping a 35yo who played 30% this year is the answer will not help us get to where we need to get to.

So I would listen to every pitch for our guys, outside of a small few.

[Bornadog]

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I So I would listen to every pitch for our guys, outside of a small few.

For me, English is an untouchable.