2021 Trade Period Talk

[Bornadog]

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No way should we be trading English unless we get an offer that knocks us out of the park.

When it comes to considering offers for him we should employ the same strategy as when you win the toss in cricket and the pitch is a bit green and the conditions are overcast. That is you should think about choosing to bowl and then decide to bat, and if Its a real greentop and you're really tempted to bowl you should talk it through with a couple of experienced teammates and whatever you all decide to do elect to bat.

I agree. You don't trade out guys like English.

[Dry Rot]

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OK, we all hate Barratt but I recall a recent interesting comment from him.

Went something like this:

Don't underestimate the effect of state lockdowns this season on players etc and expect some surprise trades with players wanting to return home.

Maybe they may be some surprise opportunities to get some Vics home?

[azabob]

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Easy thing to say trade English but who to bring in? Lobb/Ladhams? um really? Where is the upgrade?

We are without Bruce most of next year, Martin is basically cooked, you gotta find a legitimate Forward and Ruck to come in or else there is no deal. I cant see it being an option until the year after.

Marra Darcy Schache backing up Naughty next year? No thanks not when you're in the window.

I still think we need to move on English but I would be very disappointed if we brought in Lobb or Ladhams as replacements.

Do we lose leverage with English out of contract end of 2022?

[bulldogtragic]

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Easy thing to say trade English but who to bring in? Lobb/Ladhams? um really? Where is the upgrade?

We are without Bruce most of next year, Martin is basically cooked, you gotta find a legitimate Forward and Ruck to come in or else there is no deal. I cant see it being an option until the year after.

Marra Darcy Schache backing up Naughty next year? No thanks not when you're in the window.

Therein lies the complexity of this trade period. It’s like a rubics cube. We have one 2021 Pick with points currently. All I know is Sam Power is going to be very busy. There’s no tea leaves to read. This trade period could go in a 1,000 different directions.

[Mofra]

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I doubt we'll see much (if any) in the way of announcements or players we're targeting until after our B&F.
As frustrating as it is in the short term, Power runs a far tighter ship than previous list managers we've had.

He has cryptically mentioned the time for stockpiling kids is over so aside from Darcy and perhaps Cat B rookies, I suspect we'll at least try to be a bit more aggressive this year.

[Mofra]

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This sounds like English will stay, and now we're linked with Ladhams:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-peter-ladhams-suitors-clubs-interested-geelong-port-adelaide-tim-english-contract-resigns-brisbane-lions-mason-cox-levi-casboult-darcy-fort/news-story/9d64a01ab8f2077999c5965e5661a596?fbclid=IwAR1XPoyxXGItNzXQES7d7Ec0wPtDH3iO20D_zRah0moUKGQkz6zq-QGn5WU

Western Bulldogs tall Tim English is keen to re-sign with the club, reports The Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph.

English, who’s contracted until the end of 2022, has struggled to cement his spot as the Bulldogs’ No. 1 ruck and was moved forward this season after the club acquired veteran big man Stefan Martin.

And North Melbourne great David King told SEN radio on Monday that he believes English is expendable to the Bulldogs and could be put up for trade after his lacklustre Grand Final performance, saying the 24-year old “isn’t going to get much better”.

But Ralph told Fox Sports News’ AFL Tonight that English has no plans to depart Whitten Oval.

“My understanding is that English is really keen to stay in Melbourne. He’ll wait until midway through next year to consider a contract extension,” he said.

“His girlfriend has just signed a two-year Super Netball contract in Perth. But they’ve been living in a long-distance relationship, she’s been in Queensland (so) I don’t think that changes things.”

[GVGjr]

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Do we have cap space for an A-Grader? If an A-Grader is going to be, say $650k+ minimum... probably more per year.

I'd be surprised if we're able to bring in 2 guns, but maybe we can get someone who is underperforming/under utilised in their current club, or someone like Keath who is an A-grader but probably doesn't have the years and years of high-performance to warrant the big price tag (yet).

No idea who that is, but as much as I'd love Grundy I think we can all recognise we can't fit $1mil a year in our cap (probably) unless we move out someone who is on serious coin already (or Collingwood pay 30% again )

Cap wise we should be OK but unless we are willing to push contracted players out which hasn't been in our DNA we just don't have have the options to acquire much more than a quality FA or a role player along with Sam Darcy.
Trade Radio suggests English wants to delay contract talks until the middle of next year this might spook the club to consider trading him to the Eagles who might like to have him partner Nic Nat.

[bulldogtragic]

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Weird it says us and Geelong are interested. They have about 4 rucks on their list already. Ladhams at a good price would be handy.

[azabob]

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Weird it says us and Geelong are interested. They have about 4 rucks on their list already. Ladhams at a good price would be handy.

So the two clubs who need an actual ruckman are going after a part time ruckman at best who has questionable off field habits!

[Mofra]

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Weird it says us and Geelong are interested. They have about 4 rucks on their list already. Ladhams at a good price would be handy.

Geelong are as bad as we are with rucks. They have Stanley who is barely ok, Darcy Fort who can't run, Ratagolea who is a 2nd ruck / average forward who occasionally looks good, and not much else unless they want to use Blicavs who is basically Tim English with pace

[G-Mo77]

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So the two clubs who need an actual ruckman are going after a part time ruckman at best who has questionable off field habits!

Ok. I was wondering why Port are willing to move him on. What's the story there?

[Bornadog]

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I still think we need to move on English but I would be very disappointed if we brought in Lobb or Ladhams as replacements.

Do we lose leverage with English out of contract end of 2022?

Why would you trade a ruckman when we are already struggling to put one on the park? Who do you get to replace them? Why can't we sign up another ruck and have both? We need depth and even though English is not a number one ruck, he can still be a good second ruck.

[bulldogtragic]

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Laterally thinking:

Trade 2022 First Rounder for GCS Pick 19 and fringe player (or Pick 72) if there is one

Dogs hold 17 & 19

Trade 17 for 22 & 43 off GCS (net 200 more DPS)

Trade 19 for 29 & 36 off WCE (net 200 more DPS)

Trade 22 for 28 & 44 off Richmond (not 200 Draft points, it could be a slightly lesser second pick when they get it)

Trade Young & 72 for a small upgrade into DPS territory. Say early 60’s. Say Wallis gets FA compo at Pick 55. Lipinski a future pick. Collingwood won’t trade a 2021 pick. They may threaten PSD if we don’t accept a future pick. So my guess is if there’s no player involved from their end, then a future pick may have to suffice.


Dogs hold 28, 29, 36, 43, 44, 55, early 60’s & possibly JJ.

Use 28 & 29 to trade. JJ getting a mid to high 3rd Rounder means no deficit for Sam Darcy at Pick 3.

So multiple trades of players and securing Sam Darcy without deficit. Lose the 2022 1st which is likely to be impacted anyway, but an extra future Pick from Lipinski in next years Draft hand. Trades next year strengthen that again.

To comply with rules, if our future first goes the other rounds must remain in tact. But the round of the Lipinski Pick, we can hold onto that but can put up our pick, if we wanted to trade that too.

This brings in two players worth 20’s Pick, looks at free agents, secures Sam Darcy without a deficit and has 3 or 4 picks next year, but without a 2022 First. Which I just don’t see us holding owing to our DPs.

If you want to be more aggressive you simply spend more picks on trades this year, or don’t trade down a first and take a hit to the 2022 Second Rounder. But like everything in particular, there’s a 1,000 different ways things are going to go.

[azabob]

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Why would you trade a ruckman when we are already struggling to put one on the park? Who do you get to replace them? Why can't we sign up another ruck and have both? We need depth and even though English is not a number one ruck, he can still be a good second ruck.

I'm not sure he can be an effective 2nd ruck. He didn't set the world on fire as a forward.

If you look across the league players such as Rory Lobb, Peter Ladhams, Mason Cox, Tim English, Ratagolea they all seem to be on a hiding to nothing. Not good enough as a 1st ruck and not good enough forward to be a 2nd ruck.

I get we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater but I am genuinely concerned what English can offer us moving forward.

[azabob]

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Ok. I was wondering why Port are willing to move him on. What's the story there?

I'm not 100% across it but others here have touched on it. Apparently another port power player and him are no good together off field and they have started a clothing company together.

They'd also be wanting to move him on as he is dead set average as a ruckman and as a forward.