2023 List Management Thread

[jeemak]

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Looks dumb. Spending high picks 2-years in a row on niche positions is clearly not smart.

We're gonna be all sizzle no steak.

Everything in the media tonight is we?ve blown our wad over Watson. Why would this be MJP?

Cody will move to the midfield over the next two years.

[GVGjr]

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Looks dumb. Spending high picks 2-years in a row on niche positions is clearly not smart.

We're gonna be all sizzle no steak.

We've really seem to be focused on finding a small forward or two probably knowing that Weightman plays a bit taller and is not a genuine small forward.

We will have some other names in the mix if somehow Watson is selected ahead of our pick. McKercher, Curtin, Duursma and Sanders might our back up options

[mjp]

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Everything in the media tonight is we?ve blown our wad over Watson. Why would this be MJP?

How the hell should I know??

I like Watson. I'm not sure that's who we traded up to get but if everyone says it is, then I guess it must be...

We had two choices:
- Turn our back on Croft.
- Trade picks to move up.

What we have done is sent a message to Croft and our OTHER upcoming Father/Son selections that we will do what it takes to bring you on-board. Which is good 'cos F/S picks have the potential to = free dinner. BUT they also compromise your draft hand.

All that said, I don't understand why in the span of 5-years we would use so many high picks on small forwards (assuming Watson is the pick). There is room for TWO, not 3. And they are all kids so wont be able to perform consistently AND we wont be able to trust them...How old is Hill now he has broken through? How old is Bedford?? I keep reading it's a role where players can come in and contribute...but can they? It's a graveyard of a position and very hard to master...you might get a FEW good games but all of these guys will be in and out of form and in and out of the team....

[jeemak]

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I get we used a high pick if that's what we secured Cody with, but was he also best available?

Chad Warner would be nice, but he was never in the same conversation.

[mjp]

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I get we used a high pick if that's what we secured Cody with, but was he also best available?

Chad Warner would be nice, but he was never in the same conversation.

He was expected to be picked around there and was close to best available...I don't think you could argue Weightman has been anything less than a success and in many ways has been way BETTER than we all could have hoped.

You have to laugh though - it feels like we have all spent 4-years defending the Weightman selection from criticism that he wasn't a 'true' small forward (I mean, he was and is a mark-first player who is happiest on the lead and kicks a lot of goals from set shots) but now when we want to justify selecting our 3rd small forward with a pick in the top 22 since 2019 "we" use the fact that Weightman is not a "true" small crumbing forward as part of the justification for going back to the well to select Watson (if that is what we end up doing).

Watson is great and exciting but if we have Clarke, Watson and Weightman and we are hoping for one of them to play more midfield minutes than someone like Isaac Heeney - around 25% - then we are probs kidding ourselves.

[jeemak]

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He was expected to be picked around there and was close to best available...I don't think you could argue Weightman has been anything less than a success and in many ways has been way BETTER than we all could have hoped.

You have to laugh though - it feels like we have all spent 4-years defending the Weightman selection from criticism that he wasn't a 'true' small forward (I mean, he was and is a mark-first player who is happiest on the lead and kicks a lot of goals from set shots) but now when we want to justify selecting our 3rd small forward with a pick in the top 22 since 2019 "we" use the fact that Weightman is not a "true" small crumbing forward as part of the justification for going back to the well to select Watson (if that is what we end up doing).

Watson is great and exciting but if we have Clarke, Watson and Weightman and we are hoping for one of them to play more midfield minutes than someone like Isaac Heeney - around 25% - then we are probs kidding ourselves.

Don't you dare bring the young star into this.....

Having just watched Watson's video or one of them anyway, I couldn't believe how much when playing forward he looks exactly like Weightman plays today. First a threat in the air, second on the ground. In glimpses he seems to go better than OK using the footy behind the centre.

I keep my views on the top twelve to fifteen players in the draft pretty simple. If they're the best and you're not reaching then you may as well take them no matter where they play and the competition among players and player movement will sort the rest out over time.

Nobody could argue that no matter how good Cody is, he's surrounded by talls and pretty much a bunch of mids moonlighting as forwards. If taking Watson means Clarke has to work even harder for his spot in the 22 like a pick 25 would have to anyway, then that's fine with me. He was only 50-50 to forge a career when he started.

I do think we'll bring Cody onto the ball at some point, he's too clever not to have a go up the ground. His attitude is amazing, he'll get the best out of himself over summers to make it work.

[FrediKanoute]

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God it's still so much to pay for a kid that hasn't played a senior game.

Matty Robbins.......pretty certain we gave up 3 first round picks in the late 90's for him

[jeemak]

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Matty Robbins.......pretty certain we gave up 3 first round picks in the late 90's for him

Played against him once he was done, and thank jebus nobody could put it to his advantage.

[FrediKanoute]

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Looks dumb. Spending high picks 2-years in a row on niche positions is clearly not smart.

We're gonna be all sizzle no steak.

I agree. We would be admitting that Clarke was a bust without even trying him. Makes me think that its not Watson we are after.

[FrediKanoute]

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Played against him once he was done, and thank jebus nobody could put it to his advantage.

Don't get me wrong, I love him as a player, but gee the price we paid to Geelong for him at the time seemed like a lot.

[lemmon]

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I agree. We would be admitting that Clarke was a bust without even trying him. Makes me think that its not Watson we are after.

Me neither. I think everything Power said could also apply to McKercher and landing him in the draft would make me a LOT more comfortable than Watson.

I get the Clarke 'may or may not make it' discussion but 22 last year was high currency. I also think small forward is a place that you can fill later in the draft or with mature talent - I reckon there's a far greater proportion of good small forwards drafted after pick 30 than there are high end mids taken after 30.

[GVGjr]

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Assuming a bid comes in for Croft in the 1st round that will be matched and if we also assume we will get Coffield across it should mean we will have 15 x 1st round draft picks on our list heading into the 2024 season. This seems to be a big number unless you're the Suns or GWS.

Treloar*, Ugle-Hagan, Weightman, Bontempelli, Busslinger, B.Smith, Crozier, Darcy, Macrae, Richards, Naughton and English on the main list and Coffield, Croft and whoever we select at pick 4 coming in.

It shows we've typically maintained our 1st round picks and focused on bringing in top end talent from other clubs when we can.

[Axe Man]

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Matty Robbins.......pretty certain we gave up 3 first round picks in the late 90's for him

I thought that couldn't possibly be right, and it's not, but your aren't far off.

We gave up picks 15, 38 and 54, which still seems way over the odds for a bloke that had played 7 games in 3 years and was originally pick 36.

On the plus side Robbins gave us 139 games, the 3 players Geelong drafted only managed 101 games (with 90 of those from James Rahilly).

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[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I thought that couldn't possibly be right, and it's not, but your aren't far off.

We gave up picks 15, 38 and 54, which still seems way over the odds for a bloke that had played 7 games in 3 years and was originally pick 36.

On the plus side Robbins gave us 139 games, the 3 players Geelong drafted only managed 101 games (with 90 of those from James Rahilly).

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Wow.

Loved Robbins but that is crazy.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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Assuming a bid comes in for Croft in the 1st round that will be matched and if we also assume we will get Coffield across it should mean we will have 15 x 1st round draft picks on our list heading into the 2024 season. This seems to be a big number unless you're the Suns or GWS.

Treloar*, Ugle-Hagan, Weightman, Bontempelli, Busslinger, B.Smith, Crozier, Darcy, Macrae, Richards, Naughton and English on the main list and Coffield, Croft and whoever we select at pick 4 coming in.

It shows we've typically maintained our 1st round picks and focused on bringing in top end talent from other clubs when we can.

Delete this. It doesn't fit the rhetoric that the club is completely burning down.