Minister of Trades

[Bornadog]

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I know.

I don't normally like making such big changes, but to me it is now or never...next years draft is compromised as well and there are players on our list who to me are not improving. After a couple of years, if your spot is still not assured at VFL level it really is time to move on (developing talls aside). Stack is a marginal state level player. I would bet that the Williamstown match committee are reluctant to play him, let alone the Dogs. A back pocket player who wont bodyline the ball? No thanks.

Thats 12 delists or trades, do you think this will happen?. Hooper and Moles have already been elevated, we also have the two father sons coming.

[lemmon]

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I would be keeping both Hill and Everitt, I could imagine them moving on and it coming back to bite us. Guys with that sort of talent should be persisted with and spots will be opening up next year. I dont like how Dre in particular has been handled, he's marked just about as hard as anyone on the list while more experienced guys are given a free ride in the 22. I tend to agree with Sockeye, trading is incredibly hard to get right even in the best of cirumstances.
MJP I'm not so keen in putting that amount of faith in state league players, Barlow has been a success but you could just as easily end up with three or four, 21-24 year olds who are unable to make the next step and just clog up the development of guys coming straight through from junior footy.

[GVGjr]

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I would be keeping both Hill and Everitt, I could imagine them moving on and it coming back to bite us.

In my opinion it could be a lose, lose situation but so would it be if they aren't in the plans.
We have to be bold and if it bites us then so be it.

Guys with that sort of talent should be persisted with and spots will be opening up next year. I dont like how Dre in particular has been handled, he's marked just about as hard as anyone on the list while more experienced guys are given a free ride in the 22.

For how long though? We had injuries aplenty this year and in Everitts case he would come in for a game but never looked like holding his spot.

I tend to agree with Sockeye, trading is incredibly hard to get right even in the best of cirumstances.

We shouldn't shirk it just because it's a hard science. Swans do it well but we haven't.

MJP I'm not so keen in putting that amount of faith in state league players, Barlow has been a success but you could just as easily end up with three or four, 21-24 year olds who are unable to make the next step and just clog up the development of guys coming straight through from junior footy.

A number of state league players made the transition this year not just Barlow so once again, if there is a player or two that can fill a spot for us why not consider it?

[The Pie Man]

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I would target Lockwood from Williamstown - hard at it, uncompromising...desperate to make it.

I have been impressed with Lockwood this season and he has been a good contributor for Williamstown.

I noticed Lockwood yesterday, especially one piece of play with repeat efforts despite being hurt - uses the ball well, looks to me (albeit on limited vision) an AFL ready player.

[mjp]

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Thats 12 delists or trades, do you think this will happen?.

No. I just want it too.

Hooper and Moles have already been elevated, we also have the two father sons coming.

Hooper and Moles still need to be permanently elevated. They will revert to their rookie contract at years end.

[Rocco Jones]

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If Stack was a Williamstown listed player would we be looking at him? I do not think so. Rookie list at best for me but he might have another year on his contract.

[soupman]

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I would be keeping both Hill and Everitt, I could imagine them moving on and it coming back to bite us.

I think a lot of Bulldogs supporters take this viewpoint with Everitt and Hill. Many are fearful that if we let them go they will actually realise their potential and make us look silly, despite many supporters not actually thinking they'll reach their potential with us.

I think that if we feel we can't get the best out of them and that they won't be best 22 players for us we should look to move them on, talented as they may be. Farren Ray is a good example of a talented player performing well at another club, and through that trade we have also benefited with the recruitment of Jones/Roughead.


Just on a more general note, when people refer to draft picks they often classify them in rounds ie. "Everitt is worth a 2nd round pick". Now is this 2nd round pick a 2010 2nd round pick (ie. 30-56), or is it a regular 2nd round pick (18-32)? I think it's going to be hard to classify what players are worht this year as clubs may be more willing to trade 1st and 2nd round picks due to them being of a considerably less value.

[GVGjr]

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If Stack was a Williamstown listed player would we be looking at him? I do not think so. Rookie list at best for me but he might have another year on his contract.

So you think Brennan Stack should go-go?

[Topdog]

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MJP I'm not so keen in putting that amount of faith in state league players, Barlow has been a success but you could just as easily end up with three or four, 21-24 year olds who are unable to make the next step and just clog up the development of guys coming straight through from junior footy.

Not only has Barlow been a success so has Boyd, Mitchell, Morris, Silvagni and many many more. In footy we constantly harp on about bigs take time to develop well in some instances so do smalls.

[G-Mo77]

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Not only has Barlow been a success so has Boyd, Mitchell, Morris, Silvagni and many many more. In footy we constantly harp on about bigs take time to develop well in some instances so do smalls.

IF you look directly above your post Topdog a sig sums that post up nicely.

Lindsay Gaze once declared: "If you are small you have got three minutes to show me you can play, but if you are tall you have got three years to show me you can't."

[Mofra]

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I don't disagree with your assessment that they have an upside but if we fast forward 12 months and they have only played half the season then their market value won't be much at all.

No doubt, but I think he isn't as valuable as he was 12 months ago

Begs the question - we kept him last year because of the "upside" and he is arguably worth less now. If we can get a decent trade for him, it would be one of those situations that are a win/win for both player and club.

I think Hill would be playing at WCE if he was there - McKinley seems on the outer due to a lack of defensive workrate and at times Hill has shown an ability to chase. The trick will be getting him to do it all the time.

[Topdog]

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IF you look directly above your post Topdog a sig sums that post up nicely.

Lindsay Gaze once declared: "If you are small you have got three minutes to show me you can play, but if you are tall you have got three years to show me you can't."

should probably get sigs to show on the posts.... I currently have it disabled.

[Desipura]

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and we have been bad at doing this. We have in the past picked up players reaching close to 30 rather than a player around 24 who has been under valued by their club.

What would have to do to get a Chris Knight? Would they want an Everitt or Hill?

No they would not, but they make rate a ruckman of ours. We will have to add a pick in there. I just hope Jacobs does not go to the Crows.

[LostDoggy]

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Love the idea of trading Hill to a Perth club. As much as I don't wanna see Everitt go, I think he will. Wonder if Saints will try and swoop him again and what they might offer..2nd round, if lucky?

[Rocco Jones]

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So you think Brennan Stack should go-go?

Haha, knew I'd get called up on that. Great work.