Minister of Trades

[chef]

Re: Minister of Trades

Sorry but Will does not meet the criteria of fringe player.

He is already a 100 game player with the likelihood of another 100 to come. He only ended up at Willi because of his interrupted pre-season and subsequent injury after his return.

He still played more games in 2010 than Knights so Knights is a fringe player on your definition.

A direct swap of Minson for Knights would be too much to pay.

He isn't a guaranteed start when everyone is fit, so doesn't that make him a fringe player. Knights on the other hand would get a start in all 17 teams when fully fit so he isn't a fringe player.

The way I see it, would we trade our back-up ruck who we will only need when we have injuries for a gun half forward capable of kicking 50 goals a season for us?

[GVGjr]

Re: Minister of Trades

A direct swap of Minson for Knights would be too much to pay.

I don't think too many will see it that way but I understand your reasoning.
I think a lot of people look at Roughead and now believe Minson is somewhat surplus but I think most football people would regards a straight up swap between Knights and Minson as a win for the Dogs

[Bulldog Joe]

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I don't think too many will see it that way but I understand your reasoning.
I think a lot of people look at Roughead and now believe Minson is somewhat surplus but I think most football people would regards a straight up swap between Knights and Minson as a win for the Dogs

Happy to be the odd man out.

Minson is better than Roughead for the next year or 2 and is the natural replacement for Hudson. Roughead is probably 5 years away from that standard of the bash and crash ruckwork.

Minson would be a walk up start at most clubs and would be number 1 ruck at either Adelaide team. He fills a specialist role. I don't see Knights as having any better value individually.

[The Pie Man]

Re: Minister of Trades

Happy to be the odd man out.

Minson is better than Roughead for the next year or 2 and is the natural replacement for Hudson. Roughead is probably 5 years away from that standard of the bash and crash ruckwork.
Minson would be a walk up start at most clubs and would be number 1 ruck at either Adelaide team. He fills a specialist role. I don't see Knights as having any better value individually.

1st bit in bold - really? Not sure he'll be that far away

2nd bit in bold - really? Agree that Adelaide would be logically keen on him, but most clubs?

Good arguments in this thread BJ

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Minister of Trades

1st bit in bold - really? Not sure he'll be that far away

2nd bit in bold - really? Agree that Adelaide would be logically keen on him, but most clubs?

Good arguments in this thread BJ

I will admit I am discounting his form this year due to his interruptions but if you assess over the last 3 years

Collingwood - Jolly - Will has always done well against Jolly.
St Kilda - Will is better than McEvoy - needs to prove that this week.
Geelong - Will is better than Blake or Hawkins
Sydney - Better than Pyke or Seaby and would have been ahead of Mumford prior to 2010
Fremantle - They would not use Will
Hawthorn - Will better than Renouf, Taylor, Skipper
Carlton - Probably struggle against Kreuzer's mobility but has trounced Warnock and Jacobs at VFL level
North Melbourne - well served with McIntosh and Goldstein (I really like Goldstein would trade for him)
Port Adelaide - Will has a great record against Brogan
Adelaide - Will better than Maric
Melbourne - would be second string to Jamar but would have been ahead prior to 2010
Brisbane - well served by Leuenberg and Clark
Essendon - well served by Ryder and Hille - interesting that Hille came good at about age 25 after struggling for a long time.
Richmond - Will better than anyone they have
West Coast - Have Cox and Natanui but I am happy to have Will instead of both those given the stages of their careers.

So yes I believe Will would get a game at MOST clubs. Missing out at Freo, Brisbane, Essendon and West Coast. I think Gold Coast would be ecstatic if they snare a ruckman of Will's standard.

Supporters at other clubs would probably not agree but that comes down to bias towards your own.

I repeat Will is 25 big, strong, aggressive and a good ruckman. With a full pre-season he can challenge Hudson and replace him when the time comes. Roughead lacks that physical strength at this point and probably needs at least 2 more pre-seasons and needs to show that his shoulders can cope with the wear and tear.

[Desipura]

Re: Minister of Trades

I agree, and there's no way I'd go for that Kurt Tippett for James Mulligan trade either. We really need a developing full back.

You sarcastic basket Some on here would not have picked up on it. Totally agree by the way........

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Minister of Trades

To be fair, Dre has to take responsibility for that.

Does he? The games I have seen him in at Willy have not been that bad. He did ok in Darwin despite some clangers.
Playing better than Hanh or Higgins and still couldn't get a game.

[Ghost Dog]

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I will admit I am discounting his form this year due to his interruptions but if you assess over the last 3 years

Collingwood - Jolly - Will has always done well against Jolly.
St Kilda - Will is better than McEvoy - needs to prove that this week.
Geelong - Will is better than Blake or Hawkins
Sydney - Better than Pyke or Seaby and would have been ahead of Mumford prior to 2010
Fremantle - They would not use Will
Hawthorn - Will better than Renouf, Taylor, Skipper
Carlton - Probably struggle against Kreuzer's mobility but has trounced Warnock and Jacobs at VFL level
North Melbourne - well served with McIntosh and Goldstein (I really like Goldstein would trade for him)
Port Adelaide - Will has a great record against Brogan
Adelaide - Will better than Maric
Melbourne - would be second string to Jamar but would have been ahead prior to 2010
Brisbane - well served by Leuenberg and Clark
Essendon - well served by Ryder and Hille - interesting that Hille came good at about age 25 after struggling for a long time.
Richmond - Will better than anyone they have
West Coast - Have Cox and Natanui but I am happy to have Will instead of both those given the stages of their careers.

So yes I believe Will would get a game at MOST clubs. Missing out at Freo, Brisbane, Essendon and West Coast. I think Gold Coast would be ecstatic if they snare a ruckman of Will's standard.

Supporters at other clubs would probably not agree but that comes down to bias towards your own.

I repeat Will is 25 big, strong, aggressive and a good ruckman. With a full pre-season he can challenge Hudson and replace him when the time comes. Roughead lacks that physical strength at this point and probably needs at least 2 more pre-seasons and needs to show that his shoulders can cope with the wear and tear.

There was some Will bashing earlier in the year after he had a few brain fades. Even the commentators got into it. He's a bit of a tall poppy. However, If Huddo were to get injured, we would need him badly. We've taken Huddo's work rate for granted a bit I think.

[BulldogBelle]

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What we lack is a tall, or big bodied on-baller and a quality small forward. I'd take Mundy from Freo (at a huge price though) and Davey from Essendon. Trades for them....Hargrave and Hill plus a draft pick and my first born child for Mundy: Tiller, Callan, Addison to Essendon for Davey and a draft pick. They are worth something to a club like the Bombers, but will continue to get limited game time with us. Hargrave is a tough call, but we need to purge those guys in his age bracket, otherwise we will lose the guts of our team all at once in 3-4 years. I think we can cover him more that the others his age.

We need all our ruckmen at this stage.

[lemmon]

Re: Minister of Trades

In my opinion it could be a lose, lose situation but so would it be if they aren't in the plans.
We have to be bold and if it bites us then so be it.



For how long though? We had injuries aplenty this year and in Everitts case he would come in for a game but never looked like holding his spot.



We shouldn't shirk it just because it's a hard science. Swans do it well but we haven't.



A number of state league players made the transition this year not just Barlow so once again, if there is a player or two that can fill a spot for us why not consider it?

The thing both Hill and Everitt have are time and age on their side, I'm not sure their currency will devalue any further then what it is currently so why ship off two potentially good players for what may be a fair way below market value. GWS will be looking for guys with experience on an AFL list so if worst comes to worst, not all options have dried up. I have no problem with drafting State league players based on needs, I would be chasing Krakauer with relish but I think the issue arises when we jeapordise our future by drafting a bunch of 23 year olds with little scope for improvement because the current crop may go all the way and the depth of a big bodied player may be useful. This recruiting strategy is not only putting all our eggs in one basket but potentially sentencing the team to years of mediocrity down the track.

[Desipura]

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What we lack is a tall, or big bodied on-baller and a quality small forward. I'd take Mundy from Freo (at a huge price though) and Davey from Essendon. Trades for them....Hargrave and Hill plus a draft pick and my first born child for Mundy: Tiller, Callan, Addison to Essendon for Davey and a draft pick. They are worth something to a club like the Bombers, but will continue to get limited game time with us. Hargrave is a tough call, but we need to purge those guys in his age bracket, otherwise we will lose the guts of our team all at once in 3-4 years. I think we can cover him more that the others his age.

We need all our ruckmen at this stage.

While you are at it, why dont you throw in Boumann & Mulligan and we could get Tayte Pears & Michael Hurley.

[soupman]

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What we lack is a tall, or big bodied on-baller and a quality small forward. I'd take Mundy from Freo (at a huge price though) and Davey from Essendon. Trades for them....Hargrave and Hill plus a draft pick and my first born child for Mundy: Tiller, Callan, Addison to Essendon for Davey and a draft pick. They are worth something to a club like the Bombers, but will continue to get limited game time with us. Hargrave is a tough call, but we need to purge those guys in his age bracket, otherwise we will lose the guts of our team all at once in 3-4 years. I think we can cover him more that the others his age.

We need all our ruckmen at this stage.

As has been said before, but continues to be a regularly suggested option on footy forums (particularly Bigfooty), adding more crap players to the deal doesn't make it more attractive.

Why would Essendon do that trade? Tiller isn't needed as they have tall backs, Callan isn't needed as they have defenders with more potential, and Addison gives them another slowish bloke to add to their midfield/defence. They then have to find space on the list for them, they would be taking two spots for developing players away, and on top of this Essendon give us not just a talented regular AFL player, but a draft pick.

When trading it's quality over quantity, not the other way around.

[Topdog]

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We should offer Brisbane our 4th, 5th and 6th round picks for J Brown. Perhaps we can give them Stack aswell but I'm not sure we should give up so much.

[jazzadogs]

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We should offer Brisbane our 4th, 5th and 6th round picks for J Brown. Perhaps we can give them Stack aswell but I'm not sure we should give up so much.

Mate, we'd want at least a third round draft pick from them as well.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Minister of Trades

What about doing a Melbourne and snagging a Liam Jarrah Type from up North?
In a compromised draft, might be an idea.