ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

[soupman]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

This guys twitter feed is doing a pretty good job of outlining the case against:

https://twitter.com/jrvkfootball

[soupman]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

And this guy also goes a fair way to explain how the case found the players to be significantly at fault:

https://twitter.com/ChrisKaias?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[GVGjr]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

Peanuts peanuts you can't be serious
It was always on the cards that penalties would be applied
We are talking drugs in sport
There is no way any person taking a performance enhancing drug are playing fair
Jobe will be stripped of his brownlow
This will set a precedent in sport... No drugs in sport.. Lucky to those clubs that play essendon twice this season

[LostDoggy]

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Peanuts peanuts you can't be serious
It was always on the cards that penalties would be applied
We are talking drugs in sport
There is no way any person taking a performance enhancing drug that they are playing fair
Jobe will be stripped of his brownlow
This will set a precedent in sport... No drugs in sport.. Lucky to those clubs that play essendon twice this season

I think my posts basically agree with all of that DS?

[Topdog]

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I think my posts basically agree with all of that DS?

Yeah confused me too.

Logical decision.

[Bornadog]

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When I go to my GP and she says you need to be injected with such and such, I ask questions before it happens and then I make my decision.

The players should have asked and checked with the Essendon Doctor.

I still believe the Doctor knew all about this and should be struck off the medical registry. (Personal opinion only)

[westdog54]

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According to CAS' report Reid was largely kept out of the loop. The players were under instruction that it was not to leave the playing group. Only a handful of coaches knew.

[LostDoggy]

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When I go to my GP and she says you need to be injected with such and such, I ask questions before it happens and then I make my decision.

The players should have asked and checked with the Essendon Doctor.

I still believe the Doctor knew all about this and should be struck off the medical registry. (Personal opinion only)

I think there are shades of grey to Bruce Reid's position in all of this. He was apparently the most active critic at the club and others took steps to hide details from him. Hard to form a decisive opinion on his culpability.

[Bornadog]

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According to CAS' report Reid was largely kept out of the loop. The players were under instruction that it was not to leave the playing group. Only a handful of coaches knew.

I still can't believe someone out of 34 players didn't ask the Doctor about something being injected into their blood, or they are just plain stupid and now deserve everything they get for being CHEATS in sport.

[LostDoggy]

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It sucks about losing Crameri, but this is the price of fairness. Yes, it is fair for players who've breached the rules to be banned. We can't just get up in arms because he's one of us now or we become Essendon fans. And no player, no matter how many goals he kicks, can make me sink to that level.

I wonder if Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin will now receive a retrospective Brownlow, or will it simply appear as:

2012 Jobe Watson * (Cheat)

[Twodogs]

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Can't agree with you on this one TD. Although the evidence within the public domain is not conclusive, it's pretty overwhelming for mine (besides, we don't know what else CAS had, we do know they interviewed several parties extensively and damning text messages between players were reported to have been found).

Once the court had established to their reasonable satisfaction that banned substances were taken systematically and extensively and that officials and players had taken steps to withhold what they knew, I can't see how they weren't going down?

Within the WADA world, full bans have been given for a lot less.

I'm really interested in your opinion.

My opinion is that we have cracked a walnut with a sledgehammer. WADA and CAS were never set up to deal with team sports. It was set up to deal with individual athletes who have far more control in their coaching set ups. Footballers have no control over who their coaches are, they are appointed over heir heads. I hate that that the CJS has been hijacked in this case. My real opinion is that this borders on racism. If these boys weren't Australian there wouldn't be a problem,. That's racism pure and simple.


Now how fair are WADA being?

[LostDoggy]

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My opinion is that we have cracked a walnut with a sledgehammer. WADA and CAS were never set up to deal with team sports. It was set up to deal with individual athletes who have far more control in their coaching set ups. Footballers have no control over who their coaches are, they are appointed over heir heads.

Now how fair are WADA being?

That's all fair, but the players are all given guidelines regarding individual responsibility in what they ingest. The waivers they were asked to sign and the details they were asked to keep from the club doctor should've been fair signals that things weren't right.

I fully agree that the senior officials are even more culpable and deserve harsher penalties, but the system has to be that the players still get dealt with harshly. For mine systematic illegal drug programmes are walnuts that need to be taken to with sledgehammers.

The silver lining is that future groups of players placed in such a position may not be so trusting and compliant.

[Topdog]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

My opinion is that we have cracked a walnut with a sledgehammer. WADA and CAS were never set up to deal with team sports. It was set up to deal with individual athletes who have far more control in their coaching set ups. Footballers have no control over who their coaches are, they are appointed over heir heads. I hate that that the CJS has been hijacked in this case. My real opinion is that this borders on racism. If these boys weren't Australian there wouldn't be a problem,. That's racism pure and simple.


Now how fair are WADA being?

I find this truly staggering. What makes you think this has anything to do with them being Australian? How has that changed or influenced a decision?

[F'scary]

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I find this truly staggering. What makes you think this has anything to do with them being Australian? How has that changed or influenced a decision?

I suspect too that it was an easy decision because the accused are small fish to fry. Australia's indigenous sport is suitable small fry for reputation-enhancing brave decisions.

[Topdog]

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I suspect too that it was an easy decision because the accused are small fish to fry. Australia's indigenous sport is suitable small fry for reputation-enhancing brave decisions.

Is it seen as a brave decision in any way? Seems like a bloody easy one. Essendon have said they have no idea what was injected into the players bodies. The waiver form mentioned a banned drug. Dank bought copious amounts of a banned drug. Said banned drug cannot be found.

The not guilty decision was seen as a cover up. It got blasted by international press and we were seen as a laughing stock.