BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

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  • Mofra
    Hall of Fame
    • Dec 2006
    • 14795

    #31
    Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
    Potential now to 2020 (4) - Gardner (MSD), Ugle-Hagan, Stevens & McDonald
    Am I missing something?
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    • bulldogtragic
      The List Manager
      • Jan 2007
      • 34316

      #32
      Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

      Originally posted by Mofra
      Am I missing something?
      I read in the academy thread that we have a line on these two specific guys (with JUH) who are in our NGA system.
      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34316

        #33
        Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

        Updated May Update:

        Six list moves out: Picken (Ret), Boyd (Ret), Morris (Ret), Dickson (Ret), Roberts, Porter (6 out, list vacancies)
        Depth Keepers: we still need some depth, so Webb & Dale might be retains to avoid having a bunch of late picks
        Risks: SA clubs looking at out of contract SA talent like Williams, Daniel & Young
        F/S: Kellett looks like the main possible target at the moment

        Current Picks: 7, 25, 42, 43, 47, 79 (61 given for Duryea)

        Needs: With Roberts gone we have Trengove, Cordy & Young if he re-signs. KPD is one area. Some midfield polish and high pressure, dynamic small forward. Tomlinson seems likely to stay at GWS so that's one door shut. With Boyd retiring, a KPF would be nice (especially if the can take a turn in the ruck).

        Options: I'd still look at packaging two 40's picks for an early pick in the 30's in a draft points trade. So then having something like picks 7, 25, 32ish, 42 & 79. So five picks and six vacancies. Pick 79 offers a back stop to secure Kellett for free if he slides passed pick 52. Pick 42 could slide after compo, so it will be interesting where Kellett's perceived value is and how Sam Power can work it to advantage.

        That extra spot (or probably two if there's a trade request out) could open up a spots for a free agent or two, including Cognilio, Sam Day or Astbury of real quality. With the trend of trading players a year before they come free agents, no doubt some names will bob up if we would trade pick 7 (which we offered for Wingard). I wonder if we'd make a 'Tom Boyd' offer on Peter Wright, the player we were going to pick with the pick we sent to GWS (BMac told me this). I don't see the need for more fringe trades, unless there's some need addressed and the club thinks they can get them to another level.

        So I think things are looking interesting the year from the list side. We had $900,000 to offer Wingard, now we are $900,000 light from Boyd (at least). $1,800,000+ cap space. Sam Power has a war chest in picks, top 10 pick to use or trade, a good second rounder, these three picks in the 40's allow Power to get really creative, probably one F/S, plus Sam Power has a war chest of salary cap for free agents. But the need remains to sign the SA boys as soon as we can and having enough people calling and receiving calls from player managers sniffing opportunity.
        Last edited by bulldogtragic; 16-05-2019, 09:28 PM.
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        • westdog54
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 6683

          #34
          Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

          It would be the ultimate 'full circle' moment to trade for 2MP, given, as BT has pointed out, we would have likely used pick 6 on had Shocktober not happened.

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          • Bulldog4life
            WOOF Member
            • Oct 2007
            • 9607

            #35
            Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

            On 2 metre Peter he was going to sign early this year but nothing has happened yet. A good sign. Agree he would fit in our team nicely.

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            • comrade
              Hall of Fame
              • Jun 2008
              • 17836

              #36
              Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

              2MP is overrated, IMO. He's that in between type, not quite a key forward, not quite a ruckman.
              Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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              • Happy Days
                Hall of Fame
                • May 2008
                • 10013

                #37
                Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                Originally posted by comrade
                2MP is overrated, IMO. He's that in between type, not quite a key forward, not quite a ruckman.
                Agree with this. Has very little impact on games and some pretty hard hands.
                - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                • Mofra
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 14795

                  #38
                  Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                  Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                  Updated May Update:

                  Six list moves out: Picken (Ret), Boyd (Ret), Morris (Ret), Dickson (Ret), Roberts, Porter (6 out, list vacancies)
                  Depth Keepers: we still need some depth, so Webb & Dale might be retains to avoid having a bunch of late picks
                  Risks: SA clubs looking at out of contract SA talent like Williams, Daniel & Young
                  F/S: Kellett looks like the main possible target at the moment
                  On the vacancy front, I'm on my lonesome but Roberts may earn himself a 1 year extension on base salary especially considering we may not be able to lure a KPD to us.

                  Sadly, I think Williams is gone. If he's not getting a game now he'll certainly be listening to offers and the Crows have apparently been interested in him for a while.

                  I'd be staggered if Lachie Young isn't upgraded to the main list and potentially 1-2 players from the mid-season draft too if they show any form.

                  Lastly, Dale is rated so is likely to be kept. Webb is probably lucky he's contracted for this year but the Hawks have been interested in the past so I'd ask the question. They need running depth and we need the draft points in 2020.
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                  • Rocket Science
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 4842

                    #39
                    Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                    Originally posted by comrade
                    2MP is overrated, IMO. He's that in between type, not quite a key forward, not quite a ruckman.
                    So a logical replacement for Boyd then.

                    Let's do it.
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                    • Twodogs
                      Administrator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 27645

                      #40
                      Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                      Originally posted by Happy Days
                      Agree with this. Has very little impact on games and some pretty hard hands.
                      Originally posted by comrade
                      2MP is overrated, IMO. He's that in between type, not quite a key forward, not quite a ruckman.
                      Originally posted by Rocket Science
                      So a logical replacement for Boyd then.

                      Let's do it.
                      If we groaned every time Tom Boyd got seperation on his direct opponent onloy to see the ball bounce off his chest or out of his hands then 2MP will drive us completely bonkers. In a lot of ways he is the perfect comparison/replacement for Tom Boyd!
                      They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                      • Remi Moses
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 14785

                        #41
                        Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                        Bit tough on Wright here . Pretty good against the dees last week .
                        Had his injury issues and not playing in a good side

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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 14795

                          #42
                          Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                          Originally posted by Remi Moses
                          Bit tough on Wright here . Pretty good against the dees last week .
                          Had his injury issues and not playing in a good side
                          2MP is Boyd with a more aggression and slightly less mobility.

                          Not sure the cost vs production works out. We'd probably prefer more of a genuine, mobile type who can play a bit higher.
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                          • mjp
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 7240

                            #43
                            Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                            Originally posted by Mofra
                            2MP is Boyd with a more aggression and slightly less mobility.

                            Not sure the cost vs production works out. We'd probably prefer more of a genuine, mobile type who can play a bit higher.
                            Exactly. We need to replace Crameri and Stringer. 190cm high forwards who can run and fight the fight. The Fergus might be one but we still need another.
                            What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                            • hujsh
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 11727

                              #44
                              Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                              Originally posted by mjp
                              Exactly. We need to replace Crameri and Stringer. 190cm high forwards who can run and fight the fight. The Fergus might be one but we still need another.
                              We have some money... maybe we can poach one? Anyone know of a good target? BT?
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                              • bulldogtragic
                                The List Manager
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 34316

                                #45
                                Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                                Originally posted by hujsh
                                We have some money... maybe we can poach one? Anyone know of a good target? BT?
                                A shame Sexton signed up. In my dreams Will Hayward from the Swans (if Longmire leaves, that's the only way it could happen). Toby Greene.... I've also been trying to look at other forward type options. Lachlan Murphy (Adelaide rookie) is a small forward pumping out big, big numbers on tackles inside 50 and goal assists. If we lost one of our SA boys to Adelaide, maybe Murphy wants to come back home (or not) as part of a deal.

                                I will keep hunting through lists.
                                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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