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  • azabob
    Hall of Fame
    • Sep 2008
    • 15122

    Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

    Signing Tory Dickson is a no brainer, should have been done already!
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    • Bulldog Joe
      Premiership Moderator
      • Jul 2009
      • 5435

      Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

      Originally posted by azabob
      Signing Tory Dickson is a no brainer, should have been done already!
      Pretty sure we were just waiting on certainty of list spots.

      We need 3 for draft day.
      Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 14797

        Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
        What? Six? So, including us, seven of the 10 Vic clubs have spoken to him. Who is the source for that?
        Grain of salt, online. I assume we're one of the six.

        I'm actually not bothered by the off field stuff - being delisted surely frightens him straight. I simply don't think he can get on the paddock. I'd take an ACL ahead of a guy with multiple, cronic, calf injuries.

        OT, but I suspect this is Suckling's last season for the same reason.
        Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34316

          Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

          Originally posted by Mofra
          Grain of salt, online. I assume we're one of the six.

          I'm actually not bothered by the off field stuff - being delisted surely frightens him straight. I simply don't think he can get on the paddock. I'd take an ACL ahead of a guy with multiple, cronic, calf injuries.

          OT, but I suspect this is Suckling's last season for the same reason.
          Simple now. Is Dickson or a particular DFA the better bet next year and beyond, we will soon find out.
          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • Mofra
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2006
            • 14797

            Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
            Simple now. Is Dickson or a particular DFA the better bet next year and beyond, we will soon find out.
            I'd be leaning towards one more year for Dickson. He'll play some games, knows our structures, and we will look to move a few players on for list spots next year anyway. Halfway through the season I wouldn't have said so, but he finished well.
            Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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            • bulldogtragic
              The List Manager
              • Jan 2007
              • 34316

              Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

              With AFEL.com.au reporting Webb, Roberts & Roarke not offered a contract (as of today) and Gardner now completely redundant. And surely a preference to elevate La Young than use Pick 89. If that's all correct:

              That only leaves the question of Dicko vs any DFA. Sweet & Khamis as rookies for next year. That affords us two rookie draft picks (12 & 30 - or one pick 12 & one SSP option) with our two national draft picks (13 & 53). Fresh blood with the maturity of Bruce & Keath.
              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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              • hujsh
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2007
                • 11732

                Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                Is there maybe more logic to keeping Young for next year? We might need list spots open to use draft picks for points with the FS/academy kids (lets say 5 as a spitball) and once the 3/4 of them are bid on any pick left will be super late so maybe Young could be a good upgrade then? Much of a muchness I suppose if 89 does end up being our 3rd pick.
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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34316

                  Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                  Originally posted by hujsh
                  Is there maybe more logic to keeping Young for next year? We might need list spots open to use draft picks for points with the FS/academy kids (lets say 5 as a spitball) and once the 3/4 of them are bid on any pick left will be super late so maybe Young could be a good upgrade then? Much of a muchness I suppose if 89 does end up being our 3rd pick.
                  Not for me. Say Dicko plays on and retires with Suckling (2). Then Lynch, Porter, Jong, Gowers, Greene (if injuries occur again), Cavarra (ditto) (6) are in the frame as a total pool (8 in the frame as outs). That's probably 6 list movements out next year without any bigger names requesting a trade out. Of those 6 spots, four come from JUH, Macca, Stevens & Raak. If I had my way, Zac Williams as a free agent is the fifth. That gives us 5 picks to take in and running a deficit into 2021. Then it's just one spot to potentially fill with a state leaguer, a kid or upgrade Buku Khamis or another rookie.

                  One thing the afl regulations don't make crystal clear is the impact of upgrading rookies on list spots as they count towards draft points. That is there's the rule about list spots and draft picks you can take in to avoid 'hidden picks'. But you have to advise the AFEL in advance of the draft of the intent to upgrade a rookie. Do they then immediately remove that last pick and what if it has points? I read and re-read the regulations and it's not painfully clear to me. Assuming our fifth pick had no points, then we can upgrade Khamis which I'd do. But if we split our first next year into say 2 X 2nds, then our fifth pick would be a fourth rounder and we'd lose the points maybe? If anyone knows the actual answer please let me know. I've given up on it.

                  Back to pick 89, unless there's something we really like and we don't think they'll get through to the rookie draft pick 12, I'd prefer to put La Young into that list spot. Rather than tie up two years of a list spot into a statistical outsider to make it.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • bulldogtragic
                    The List Manager
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 34316

                    Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                    Looking at AFEL.com.au , they have the current unsigned names. In the small forwards category:

                    Jacob Townend - 28.9 across 15 games in 2017 & 2018. Premiership player, 26yo, just one game this year for Richmond.
                    Cody Hirst - Swans mid season rookie draftee. They're saying with Taylor coming in does he go? A talented 19yo kid, athletic freak and good goal sense. Feel because of injury in his draft year.
                    Sam Gray - much known. Good career numbers.


                    All three above, like Tippa & Papley, were rookie draft selections. Maybe we should rookie draft a small forward or two.
                    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                    • Mofra
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 14797

                      Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                      All three above, like Tippa & Papley, were rookie draft selections. Maybe we should rookie draft a small forward or two.
                      In the year we took a lot of WA indigenous talent we rookied Harwbrow who looked lively up forward before he was switched back.

                      There are a few NT kids tipped to go late in the draft we can consider for pick 51 if we don't get Taylor in the first round.
                      Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                      • azabob
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15122

                        Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                        Looking at AFEL.com.au , they have the current unsigned names. In the small forwards category:

                        Jacob Townend - 28.9 across 15 games in 2017 & 2018. Premiership player, 26yo, just one game this year for Richmond.
                        Cody Hirst - Swans mid season rookie draftee. They're saying with Taylor coming in does he go? A talented 19yo kid, athletic freak and good goal sense. Feel because of injury in his draft year.
                        Sam Gray - much known. Good career numbers.


                        All three above, like Tippa & Papley, were rookie draft selections. Maybe we should rookie draft a small forward or two.
                        Not so much a forward but Ben Keays is unsigned. Wonder if we are still interested in him, as from memory we did bid on him prior to bidding on Josh Dunkley. Another sliding doors moment.
                        More of an In Bruges guy?

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                        • The Doctor
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 3701

                          Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                          Originally posted by azabob
                          Not so much a forward but Ben Keays is unsigned. Wonder if we are still interested in him, as from memory we did bid on him prior to bidding on Josh Dunkley. Another sliding doors moment.
                          averaged 3 goals a game in the NEAFL this year incl 4 in the GF. So he has probably changed his game a bit from his earlier days.
                          Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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                          • bulldogtragic
                            The List Manager
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 34316

                            Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                            AFEL.com.au reporting our club is having a post trade period list management meeting on Monday (hopefully we find out soon after). Assuming for decisions on:

                            Whether to upgrade La Young at the national draft
                            Main listers uncontracted: Dickson, Roberts, Webb (at least two need to go)
                            Rookie listers uncontracted: Roarke & Gardner
                            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                            • Happy Days
                              Hall of Fame
                              • May 2008
                              • 10019

                              Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                              I was interested in Keays earlier this year but he got given a chance in the AFL as a small forward twice this year and looked a million miles off it both times.
                              - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                              • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 8856

                                Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                                Tory is a proven goalscorer, I would love to see one more season from him working with our 3 pronged talls. I just reckon he could be the ingredient that makes it hard for opposition defenses to collectively match up and contain our entire forward line options.
                                I wonder if the Naughton, Bruce, Schache set up allows Tory to even extend his career beyond just next season.

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