Jamarra and the Points System Strategy

[Grantysghost]

Re: Jamarra and the Points System Strategy

I just don't see Adelaide not bidding on him. They are envious of us. JUH has also been talked up quite a bit compared to other highly rated academy players in the past. I expect a bid in the top 3.

I would expect our contingency would be worst case scenario (premiers, crows bid with 1) so if that's our starting point hopefully we can "prepare for worst, hope for best". Although worst is a flag so there's that.

[GVGjr]

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I just don't see Adelaide not bidding on him. They are envious of us. JUH has also been talked up quite a bit compared to other highly rated academy players in the past. I expect a bid in the top 3.

We are going to select and match any bid on JUH no matter where he goes.
Assuming Adelaide finish last I don't think it's a good idea to land the number 1 pick and basically hand it to us by bidding on him unless they think we aren't that committed and I don't believe that to be the case.

The Crows would lose the ability to market the player and sell it to their members that they have the best player in the competition

If I had a pick in the top 3 spots I wouldn't bid on JUH but I would most likely do it from about pick 4

You might be right but I wouldn't do it if I was in charge of the Crows

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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We are going to select and match any bid on JUH no matter where he goes.
Assuming Adelaide finish last I don't think it's a good idea to land the number 1 pick and basically hand it to us by bidding on him unless they think we aren't that committed and I don't believe that to be the case.

The Crows would lose the ability to market the player and sell it to their members that they have the best player in the competition

If I had a pick in the top 3 spots I wouldn't bid on JUH but I would most likely do it from about pick 4

You might be right but I wouldn't do it if I was in charge of the Crows

I don't know Gary. I think Adelaide could sell it quite easily, as just good Governance. "We always wanted (player name) but we all knew the Dog's were going to match the bid for JUH. As an organisation we need to hold clubs, the Dogs, on this occasion, to account, and not allow them to get the consensus number 1 pick for less than market value."

[GVGjr]

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I don't know Gary. I think Adelaide could sell it quite easily, as just good Governance. "We always wanted (player name) but we all knew the Dog's were going to match the bid for JUH. As an organisation we needed to hold the Dogs, on this occasion, to account, and not allow them to get the consensus number 1 pick for less than market value."

That wouldn't upset me in the slightest if they make that decision. We will match the bid and have a massive membership push by marketing the number one player heading our way

If was the Crows I would hand that responsibility to the teams behind me on the draft night
I don't think fans want to hear that, they want to know we have landed the player we think is the best regardless if that is true or not

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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That wouldn't upset me in the slightest if they make that decision. We will match the bid and have a massive membership push by marketing the number one player heading our way

If was the Crows I would hand that responsibility to the teams behind me on the draft night
I don't think fans want to hear that, they want to know we have landed the player we think is the best regardless if that is true or not

How about if the Crows were to land pick two as well (Brad Crouch FA comp). Could they not land pick one, then bid on JUH with pick 2?

[GVGjr]

Re: Jamarra and the Points System Strategy

How about if the Crows were to land pick two as well (Brad Crouch FA comp). Could they not land pick one, then bid on JUH with pick 2?

The Crow's could do that and to me it would make sense but....

I might be on my own here but from a Bulldogs perspective I would just pay whatever it costs to pick him up and I would think we have done well to get that done
I understand the advantage of getting him with a bit of a discount but you should be prepared to pay for quality

[The Doctor]

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Adelaide's position on JUH may be determined by whether they receive a band 1 compensation pick should they lose Brad Crouch which looks a distinct possibility. They could end up with picks 1 & 2.

If they like local boy Thilthorpe I think they might just pick him at 1 for the marketability reasons GVG points out and then place a bid on JUH at 2. The Crows stink at the moment and they do need to sell untainted hope to their parochial fan base.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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The Crow's could do that and to me it would make sense but....

I might be on my own here but from a Bulldogs perspective I would just pay whatever it costs to pick him up and I would think we have done well to get that done
I get the advantage of getting him with a bit of a discount but you should be prepared to pay for quality

100% agree, we take him at whatever bid. And I think clubs might be keen to ensure we pay market value. I think this is the first time I can recall an Academy or Father/son pick being a genuine Number 1 consensus pick.

[GVGjr]

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Adelaide's position on JUH may be determined by whether they receive a band 1 compensation pick should they lose Brad Crouch which looks a distinct possibility. They could end up with picks 1 & 2.

If they like local boy Thilthorpe I think they might just pick him at 1 for the marketability reasons GVG points out and then place a bid on JUH at 2. The Crows stink at the moment and they do need to sell untainted hope to their parochial fan base.

That makes some sense but geez is Brad Crouch worth pick 2 in any draft?

They should go for 2 local boys or see what they can do to get either Lukosius or Rankine from the Suns

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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That makes some sense but geez is Brad Crouch worth pick 2 in any draft?

They should go for 2 local boys or see what they can do to get either Lukosius or Rankine from the Suns

There's no way known Brad Crouch is worth pick 2 but the question becomes is he worth band 1 compo? I think a team like Essendon who need his type of player would pay band 1 type money for him. It'll be interesting but for me I'm not worried at all. We take JUH no matter what the cost and be content we have a generational talent on our list. It's a good draft to sacrifice points/picks given that the quality of talent will be largely speculative given there will be so few (if not zero) games to judge performances.

[The Doctor]

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That makes some sense but geez is Brad Crouch worth pick 2 in any draft?

That will be determined by a decent offer coming in from another club (Gold Coast were keen last year) and the AFL's attitude. Probably more likely end of 1st round but the AFL make these things up as they go depending on who they want up the ladder. Crows would fit that category I would think.

Everyone should be angry if they did get such high compensation having just played in a Grand Final just 3 years ago.

Strangely the Suns seem a better prospect for the two SA boys at the moment.

[Grantysghost]

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If I had a gut feel, and talking to some Crows supporter mates they have the same, it's that Lukosius might be the most gettable. Hasn't hit any great heights (granted a young big guy), playing a new role in defence... he's the one I think they'll have a red hot crack at.

Can sell him as the great white hope, future Tex replacement. If the Suns are still keen on Crouch then that could be something they'd push. Not something I'd entertain if I was the Suns however.

I note he re-signed until 2022 but that's means not much nowadays.

[GVGjr]

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That will be determined by a decent offer coming in from another club (Gold Coast were keen last year) and the AFL's attitude. Probably more likely end of 1st round but the AFL make these things up as they go depending on who they want up the ladder. Crows would fit that category I would think.

Everyone should be angry if they did get such high compensation having just played in a Grand Final just 3 years ago.

Strangely the Suns seem a better prospect for the two SA boys at the moment.

With finances being squeezed next year the offers won't be as big as maybe what might have happened this year

[Mofra]

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How about if the Crows were to land pick two as well (Brad Crouch FA comp). Could they not land pick one, then bid on JUH with pick 2?

I'd imagine that's what they would do. They still pick up a gun forward/relief ruck (Thilthorpe) then bid on JUH, then take mjp's boy and they're shored up both ends of the ground in one draft.

They have a couple of second rounders this year ut don't think they've got any need for them as Edwards' son has knocked them back as a FS prospect.

[Mofra]

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If I had a gut feel, and talking to some Crows supporter mates they have the same, it's that Lukosius might be the most gettable. Hasn't hit any great heights (granted a young big guy), playing a new role in defence... he's the one I think they'll have a red hot crack at.

Can sell him as the great white hope, future Tex replacement. If the Suns are still keen on Crouch then that could be something they'd push. Not something I'd entertain if I was the Suns however.

I note he re-signed until 2022 but that's means not much nowadays.

Darcy Fogarty is already Tex's heir I would have though?
Personally I think Luko is doing well, his kicking is sublime for a big man. He's just got a good football brain.