2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

[Grantysghost]

Re: 2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

Robbie Tarrant if he ever returns to fitness? North would probably be less worried about losing a 32/33 year old, than a 23/24 year old McKay given how far away they are.

That's not a bad idea for a couple of years ala Martin.

[bulldogtragic]

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Our best chance might be a 'come from the clouds' state leaguer or a cheap Gardner type player who thrives in our system, noting it Hamling a long time to establish himself with us (and realistically has played his best football at Freo).

... or a 12 month veteran retirement plan. Martin cost 4/5ths of SFA and there may be a veteran KPD who can be nursed through a season the same way.

We will have to if no one of any trade/compo value leaves. Working out a draft point strategy of a kid who might be drafted before or near our only decent draft point Pick will be interesting.

But even after a flag, Hamling, Hrovat & Stevens requested trades. With spots hard to get now, like then, I’d guess a few might ask Sam about his thoughts on their long term future here.

[DOG GOD]

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He's "promising" but we were into him in his draft year and wanted him before his last contract signing.
Based on trend our list management team still rate him. He's still learning and he's playing the most difficult position in the AFL - defence for North Melbourne

Thanks for the response Mofra. I’ll watch him more closely if I’m watching some kangaroo games coming up.
Thanks again.

[Mofra]

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Really really left-field option.... Rory Thompson.

ACL rehab this year, absolutely can play, would be surplus to Suns needs next year.
Would likely take the certainty of a two-year contract over $$$. It's a risk but it's lowish risk and higher reward. Stop-gap but we absolutely have to roll the dice sooner rather than later

[comrade]

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Really really left-field option.... Rory Thompson.

ACL rehab this year, absolutely can play, would be surplus to Suns needs next year.
Would likely take the certainty of a two-year contract over $$$. It's a risk but it's lowish risk and higher reward. Stop-gap but we absolutely have to roll the dice sooner rather than later

His last game was almost 3 years ago. Haaaaard pass.

[bulldogtragic]

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Here’s a little something on JJ & Sam Darcy, based on the indicative draft order right now.

- Bruce at a similar age with some good footy, similar money, was traded to us for Picks 32 & 51.
- North is my club of choice. For picks 38 & 66, returning Pick 73 (only 9 points). So a Third and exchange of Fourths.

- Picks 38 & 66 = 545 Draft Points, less 9 Points, Equal to Pick 34 as it’s for Draft Points on Darcy. Based on output, if we could get effectively Pick 34 for JJ, right now I’d take it. Better for his career too.

- Assuming Darcy gets passed the First Round to the flat 197 point discount, then 536 points & 197 discount = 733 Draft Points Target to avoid deficit, Matching a bid as high as Pick 26.

- So now we have our first rounder in tact, Darcy picked up at Pick 26 or lower, Sweet upgraded, Khamis upgraded. A big chunk of salary cap freed up from next year. Chuck a bunch into extending Jamarra.

- Trade out the first rounder if a decent KPD is available.

- Four spots needed: JJ, Jong, Hayes, Cavarra (Smith, Cordy, Schache in some question too)

- I’m signing Lippa & Richards if they are happy. Others won’t get much returned in a trade, such as Cordy or a Schache in terms of list strategy. That leaves Wallis as a free agent, if he exercises his right. Most likely a third rounder compo, and more salary cap freed up. That extra third rounder & it’s 207 Draft Points would also be very handy.

The more I’m looking at addressing the defence in a serious fashion, bag Darcy, while finding extra salary and moving on players, these type of trades keep coming up as ways to get our hands on a couple of third rounders without giving up the likes of Lippa or Richards.

[bulldogtragic]

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I had Darcy Moore moving a 0/10 chance.

The counter argument is he signed last year on ‘Collingwood Money’, circa $800,000 a year. Then the disgrace of the trade period and forcing out teammates and slandering them during and after the fire sale. Collingwood are lucky North is putrid, or they’d be bottom. Buckley is throwing Moore around the field with near contempt. Moore is 25 this year and does he want to spend the rest of his career rebuilding, or does he want the same good money elsewhere and contend for a Premiership? As Collingwood have no choice then move into full rebuild, do they want Moore playing all over the field the varying outputs, or would they take a winning trade and put the big salary savings into re-signing their kids? He’s out of contract next year, it makes sense to work out for club and player to have a discussion.

We have a first rounder and (this year or next depending on their Daicos strategy) and would have to put up player with some value like a Richards (who they also get PR value out of in his case). Plus we’d need to move a Richards, JJ & Wallis to free up the salary cap and also acquire draft Points for Sam Darcy.

I’m not suggesting we should or could do this. But I dismissed any talk of Moore out of hand as I said. But they way things have fallen this year so far, it’s maybe not as completely far fetched as it was. It’s certainly worth us keeping an eye on if Moore continues to be thrown around and if the arse falls out of that joint.

[bulldogtragic]

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With conversations about drafting talks this year or why we didn’t get other and so on. Here’s a list of notable KPDs that moved clubs between 2012 & 2020:

Jared Rivers
Brian Lake
Josh Bruce (then a defender)
Andrejs Everitt
James Frawley
* Joel Hamling (DFA)
Lachie Henderson
Jake Carlisle
Judas Talia
Joel Hamling
Caleb Marchbank
Jack Frost
Jake Lever
Ryan Burton
* Jackson Trengove
Jordan Roughead
Marcus Adams
Steven May
Sam Frost
Adam Tomlinson (gws played him as one)
Dougal Howard
* Alex Keath
Aiden Corr
Allir Allir


If history tells us anything, there’s going to be 2-3 good ones up this year. Just a matter of locking one in.

[comrade]

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Demons picked up the two best players on that list.

[Bornadog]

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I wonder if Hamling is gettable, still only 28 years old

[FrediKanoute]

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I wonder if Hamling is gettable, still only 28 years old

Gettable yes, but whether he plays or not is a different story. He has barely put a foot on the field since he left

[Axe Man]

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Gettable yes, but whether he plays or not is a different story. He has barely put a foot on the field since he left

Didn't miss a game in 2017 or 2019, missed 4 in 2018. Since then has had almost continuous issues with his ankle and was reportedly not happy with the way Freo had handled his treatment last year. Would need a very thorough medical.

[Mofra]

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If history tells us anything, there’s going to be 2-3 good ones up this year. Just a matter of locking one in.

Out of contract players:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players

There aren't many good ones out there. Battlers like BZT or Ambrose from Essendon are, but they aren't an upgrade on what we have now.
Hombsh is 'ok' and out of contract, 28, may be gettable. Sam Day is a UFA, we can roll the dice on shifting Chol back as a UFA as well.

If we want to get really left-field - Sam Reid is a UFA and there is a family connection. He is made of tissue paper but a CHB role might be a little easier on him.

[comrade]

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Ben McKay is the one that could slot in tomorrow.

[The Doctor]

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Out of contract players:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players

There aren't many good ones out there. Battlers like BZT or Ambrose from Essendon are, but they aren't an upgrade on what we have now.
Hombsh is 'ok' and out of contract, 28, may be gettable. Sam Day is a UFA, we can roll the dice on shifting Chol back as a UFA as well.

If we want to get really left-field - Sam Reid is a UFA and there is a family connection. He is made of tissue paper but a CHB role might be a little easier on him.

I don't see any point in going after battlers or experienced guys who are injury prone or have spent their careers in dud teams. If we are going to splash the cash and create a list spot at the expense of someone we have now on a KD I'd like something fairly solid in return. Guys who are dependable and have been in good systems.

It looks like we can rule out Ben McKay. I just can't see how we get it done trade wise and more particularly $$ wise. He'd be perfect though. Contracted players are going to be difficult to extricate so who is in the free market that we could target? I think there are 2 options that stand out;

Phil Davis GWS

Yeah we hate him coz he plays for them but he would be a good fit. He's 31 this year and probably has 2 maybe 3 years in him. He could potentially anchor our defence from full back enabling Keath to play CHB and be able to intercept more.

Jake Kolodjashnij

He's not as big as some of the other guys but he's similar in size to Cordy, Hamling & others who have been mentioned as prospects. I would argue as a lock down defender he is as good if not better than what we have in this area. He will be 26 this year and is in the right age bracket. His experience would also help off set the likely loss of Easton Wood in the next year or so.

I doubt either of these two players would cost the earth. They would demand a decent cut but it wouldn't be McKay or Weitering money and they would potentially come for free. We just have to open a list spot.

If we were going to enter the trade market I wouldn't use our trade assets on a KD if we could get one of those guys in the free agency market or even if it meant working with what we have now. I would use them on bolstering our forward line. My reasons are we have a powerful midfield that is delivering the ball into our forward line better than ever and a lot of the time. We should capitalise on that more. So I'm saying lets trade aggressively for a top shelf small forward. There is one stand out for me;

Isaac Rankine

He is the best small forward I have seen at the elite junior level. He has all the skills we are praying for. Speed, elusiveness (I think he knows how to apparate), brilliant ground ball player, kicks miracle goals. Want more? He's only 21 and I can only imagine what a future forward line of Naughton, Jamarra, Weightman and Rankine would do to opposition defences. I think he would thrive in our system. He's OOC next year so we would need to stump up some decent trade options for GC. But he's my man!