2023 List Management Thread

[Grantysghost]

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So the question remains - where doe he play?


Wing? That's a big 'IF' - is he going to push our Poulter & Williams who seem set as our two first choice wings, with Scott and Baker on the list as well? Roarke is touch and go for a contract too and if we retain him, that's another ahead of him.

At either end who is he pushing out? Behind the ball, Dale is a lock, and Coffield and Cleary seem to be the mid sizers ahead of him and if we play a 3rd taller guy ahead of either of them, Buss probably comes into mind.

As a HFF we've been playing Baz and Macrae, hard to see him pushing either of those guys out. Naughton, Marra & Lobb are locks as the tall with Darcy developing too. We've got Weightman who is best 22 and we're searching for a small/crumbing forward so I'm not sure a tallish marking option is really high on the list of needs.

We just signed Buku as well so in terms of tallish depth there's another who is probably ahead of him.

I'm not against the kid, I just really don't see how he gets games unless we have an absolute horror run with injury and he somehow escapes all that.

Could he be like a Jeremy Howe type? How does he read the play?

[bulldogtragic]

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So, from the last page… A Defender like Howe. And, A Mid/winger. And, A forward. All this gun ability in almost every spot on the ground in just a 2 game player.

We’ve found a (temporary) replacement for the Sweet Messiah.

[Happy Days]

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I think his best chance to make it is as the Tom Lynch conduit type. He seems like he has the skill set for it.

[jazzadogs]

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So the question remains - where doe he play?


Wing? That's a big 'IF' - is he going to push our Poulter & Williams who seem set as our two first choice wings, with Scott and Baker on the list as well? Roarke is touch and go for a contract too and if we retain him, that's another ahead of him.

At either end who is he pushing out? Behind the ball, Dale is a lock, and Coffield and Cleary seem to be the mid sizers ahead of him and if we play a 3rd taller guy ahead of either of them, Buss probably comes into mind.

As a HFF we've been playing Baz and Macrae, hard to see him pushing either of those guys out. Naughton, Marra & Lobb are locks as the tall with Darcy developing too. We've got Weightman who is best 22 and we're searching for a small/crumbing forward so I'm not sure a tallish marking option is really high on the list of needs.

We just signed Buku as well so in terms of tallish depth there's another who is probably ahead of him.

I'm not against the kid, I just really don't see how he gets games unless we have an absolute horror run with injury and he somehow escapes all that.

There are always players on a list who are unlikely to get a game though - if we think he has shown enough when fit, and worked hard enough when injured, then I don't think it's a bad call to keep him as a rookie. There would be more than a few players like him who have taken time to show their best, due to injuries and slower development.

When compared to the alternative 'last pick in the rookie draft' spot, is the risk:benefit ratio any higher with Bedendo than them?

My vote is rookie him. I like him.

[hujsh]

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Ultimately you have to back the club's judgement but have we had a player like Bedendo come good before? Someone so consistently injured and having played a couple games only without a clear best position with 2 years in the system.

[soupman]

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Ultimately you have to back the club's judgement but have we had a player like Bedendo come good before? Someone so consistently injured and having played a couple games only without a clear best position with 2 years in the system.

This.

We frequently put years into guys that never really show they are AFL quality. I can think of one player (Roarke, and whether or not he is good is debateable) we have had on the list that has turned out good without getting games in at worst their second year and being on a clear trajectory towards being an AFL player by their third.

It would be so much more beneficial for list turnover and uncovering new talent if we made the call, that if they aren't in the mix by year 2 for gametime and haven't shown clear signs of being an AFL talent by year 3 then we cut them. Would also apply if they have two stagnant seasons as not comfortably being in the mix.

If we followed this rule we would have cut:
Ben Cavarra after 2, Khamis after 2, Porter after 2, Greene after 2, Lynch after 2, Roarke after 2, Collins after 2,
Will Hayes after 3 years, Young after 3, Webb after 3,
Bedendo now after 3 years, Sweet* after 3 years (two seasons ago),
and Garcia has stagnated at that year 2 stage for years 3 and 4, so i think would be cut now after 4 years, likewise Crozier is just sitting there

We do that and we free up 24 one year contracts in Bevo's reign, which is 2 and a bit a year, and the total cost is basically one and a half solid seasons from Roarke and a handful of serviceable games from Young. This is moneyball.


*Sweet may also be able to disprove this, but he plays a weird position and contrary to popular opinion is still not a sure thing.

[Sedat]

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So, from the last page? A Defender like Howe. And, A Mid/winger. And, A forward. All this gun ability in almost every spot on the ground in just a 2 game player.

We?ve found a (temporary) replacement for the Sweet Messiah.

We'd get more out of Roarke if we delisted and re-rookied him for 2024 than we ever would out of Bedendo. At absolute best, he is an immediate delist then possible rookie option for no more than 12 months.

[jeemak]

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Who on our list would we consider a candidate to play as a medium forward/ play high?

To me we're lacking variety in the front half, someone like Bedendo might give us that.

[GVGjr]

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This from ZeroHanger regarding where some delisted free agents might land.

Western Bulldogs - Brynn Teakle

The Dogs are one of three clubs that have been linked to the discarded Port Adelaide tall, with there still to be some level of demand for experienced and mature ruckmen this off-season.

Teakle would suit what the Bulldogs might be after given the Whitten Oval club could look to add an experimental and versatile ruckman to their somewhat depleted stocks.

While they have All-Australian Tim English at the helm, and supporting ruck-forward Rory Lobb, the Dogs have no further depth behind the senior pair besides emerging father-son pickup Sam Darcy.

Teakle can offer depth support if either English or Lobb were to sustain setbacks, while he can also play forward and has been trialled in defence in the past - giving the club flexibility in what is often a two-ruck system.

I'd also like to see us consider Lachlan Bramble as someone who could potentially help cover Duryea as a small defender and offer us another option on a wing.

[mjp]

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Ultimately you have to back the club's judgement but have we had a player like Bedendo come good before? Someone so consistently injured and having played a couple games only without a clear best position with 2 years in the system.

Ummm. Easton Wood.

[mjp]

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Could he be like a Jeremy Howe type? How does he read the play?

This made me spit my coffee out.

I'm not sure if that's how you meant it, but it was very funny.

[hujsh]

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Ummm. Easton Wood.

Going to have to disagree with you there.

The man had injuries but played 2 games year one and 11 year two while also having a clear position on the team as a lockdown defender (IIRC maybe being brought back in underdone once or twice). It looks like we tried to play him whenever fit.

He fits criteria point 1 but not 2 or 3. Even if we did take Easton as a similar case that was 2009 when he was drafted which would kind of prove the point it's pretty unlikely someone in that position goes on to have a substantial career.

[Axe Man]

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Going to have to disagree with you there.

The man had injuries but played 2 games year one and 11 year two while also having a clear position on the team as a lockdown defender (IIRC maybe being brought back in underdone once or twice). It looks like we tried to play him whenever fit.

He fits criteria point 1 but not 2 or 3. Even if we did take Easton as a similar case that was 2009 when he was drafted which would kind of prove the point it's pretty unlikely someone in that position goes on to have a substantial career.

Wood's first year was 2008 for 0 games, 2 games in 2009. He was playing Williamstown reserves at one point and was miles away.

[Mofra]

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There are always players on a list who are unlikely to get a game though - if we think he has shown enough when fit, and worked hard enough when injured, then I don't think it's a bad call to keep him as a rookie. There would be more than a few players like him who have taken time to show their best, due to injuries and slower development.

When compared to the alternative 'last pick in the rookie draft' spot, is the risk:benefit ratio any higher with Bedendo than them?

My vote is rookie him. I like him.

Honestly - if we're taking a position of need with the last pick in the rookie draft, then yes.
I'd rather a guy who can play a role at AFL level than the most talented guy in the VFL team.

Who would offer the team more? Andrejs Everitt was a talent too - the 7th best talent on every line. It didn't help as he never made a role his own with us.

[hujsh]

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Wood's first year was 2008 for 0 games, 2 games in 2009. He was playing Williamstown reserves at one point and was miles away.

Fair enough. That year 1 was left out of the career section on stat sites.

Though I also made the same mistake with Bedendo of assuming he's been on the list for 2 seasons when this was year 3. So either way Wood at the same point had 11 more games to his name, enough to indicate he can be fit long enough to get into the side and perform well enough once there to be a best 22 player sooner or later

Perhaps I should amend the question to if any player has come good after being so consistently injured and having played only a couple games without a clear best position with 3 years in the system.