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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #271
    Re: 2014 draft watch

    Originally posted by Greystache
    Nah Cheesey was slow, but he could run like a Kenyan!

    He beat Daniel Cross in a 2km time trial by 10 seconds after stopping to tie up his shoelace. Another time in a beep test Cross almost collapsed such was his determination to win, after he dropped out Cheesey ran another handful of shuttles before they told him to wrap it up!
    I must be mixing up our spuds at these late hours. Who am I thinking of who killed the sprints at combine who just couldn't play, it's going to bug me. For ease, I'll say taller player, not sure if that helps too much...
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    • Go_Dogs
      Hall of Fame
      • Jan 2007
      • 10251

      #272
      Re: 2014 draft watch

      Thanks for posting up the top 25. Not quite how I would have it at the moment, but it really says if we end up with 3/4 picks in the top 30 we should be able to grab some pretty handy players.

      Starting to get very interesting.
      Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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      • KT31
        WOOF Member
        • Jul 2008
        • 5455

        #273
        Re: 2014 draft watch

        Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
        A lot of people are quick to talk down his prospects, but if he's that big and has a good leap, good hands and is quick - surely he goes top 30?
        Hopefully he will be around for our second rounder, with his size and agility looks like a quality prospect.
        It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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        • Greystache
          WOOF Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 9775

          #274
          Re: 2014 draft watch

          Originally posted by bulldogtragic
          I must be mixing up our spuds at these late hours. Who am I thinking of who killed the sprints at combine who just couldn't play, it's going to bug me. For ease, I'll say taller player, not sure if that helps too much...
          Not sure BT, but it sounds like Liam Jones.
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          • Bulldog Joe
            Premiership Moderator
            • Jul 2009
            • 5628

            #275
            Re: 2014 draft watch

            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
            I must be mixing up our spuds at these late hours. Who am I thinking of who killed the sprints at combine who just couldn't play, it's going to bug me. For ease, I'll say taller player, not sure if that helps too much...
            Not sure, but it would fit Jesse Wells. Was a very good athlete, with no appetite for a contest.
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            • bulldogtragic
              The List Manager
              • Jan 2007
              • 34289

              #276
              Re: 2014 draft watch

              Originally posted by Greystache
              Not sure BT, but it sounds like Liam Jones.
              Could be. But I just spent 10 minutes sifting through draft combine/camp results for the last decade. Interestingly talls do very well at the 20/30 metre sprints, but most are no good despite drafting highly. For our talls, Grant is in there, but I was thinking of Austin and in deed Jesse Wells.
              Last edited by bulldogtragic; 08-10-2014, 09:49 AM. Reason: Typos.
              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34289

                #277
                Re: 2014 draft watch

                Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                Not sure, but it would fit Jesse Wells. Was a very good athlete, with no appetite for a contest.
                Tommy Williams and Jesse Wells dominated that draft camp I've looked at for 2004. Basic analysis of the results tells me tall athletic types that do well at combine much more often than not fail. Jesse was the reason I stopped getting excited by what recruiters said, the hype and then subsequent shite was the point where I stopped.
                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #278
                  Re: 2014 draft watch

                  James Mulligan got a mid top ten result for running vertical jump. He can't be described as a footballer in any sense.

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                  • ledge
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 14550

                    #279
                    Re: 2014 draft watch

                    Yeah the years teams wanted to turn athletes into footballers, just get natural footballers and make them fit..
                    I think it's gone back to that thank god.
                    These combine tests mean nothing, I think player and family interviews are more important.
                    Bring back the biff

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 67688

                      #280
                      Re: 2014 draft watch

                      Thoughts on Lever? Big difference in being 18 to 17, so I think he is a risk.

                      Jake Lever may not have the highest profile in the media leading up to this year’s AFL draft, however he may still be one of the first few taken on the day – even though he hasn’t played a game in 2014.A key defender or third tall, Lever missed the entirety of this year after he required a knee reconstruction at the end of 2013.
                      However so impressive was he throughout that year, he has every chance of being taken within the first five picks of the draft.

                      Lever ruptured his ACL during an AIS-AFL squad camp towards the end of 2013, ruling him out of playing during his final, and most important, junior year.

                      But his determination and work ethic towards the rehabilitation may have potentially raised his credentials as a high-quality character to have at a club.
                      “It’s getting there,” Lever told Morning Glory.
                      “[It’s] probably 95 percent now, just need to get into the contact stuff.
                      “It’s been really good since the operation and it was good just to get involved in the draft camp.”
                      “Early on, especially when I found out I had to have the knee reconstruction, it took two weeks to really get my head around it, but I couldn’t sit there and swell on it.
                      “I had to really get out there and start my rehab as soon as possible.”

                      He managed to complete the 20 metre sprint, repeat sprints, and three kilometre time trial at the draft combine despite being far from full fitness, however his results won’t be what the AFL clubs will be looking at.

                      Already seen as a likely top-end pick, Lever’s professionalism towards his knee at such a young age already suggest he may have significant leadership potential in the coming seasons.

                      His junior years suggest the same.

                      Not many players captain their side at the Under-18 National Championship, so it stands as even more impressive that Lever did so despite being an underager in 2013.
                      Even with his 2014 playing year ruined by the injury, Lever has been involved with the coaching at the Calder Cannons.
                      “I did do some coaching, I helped out the midfield,” he told Morning Glory.
                      “Obviously I’m a tall key defender and just wanted to try something different and help coach in the midfield.”

                      At 194cm, Lever is a genuine key defender height, though he is a very good user of the ball and rebounder out of the backline, giving him some flexibility in what his role may be at AFL level.

                      A highly-competitive player with an impressive game nous, he plays similarly to Hawthorn defender Josh Gibson, though he has an extra five centimetres on the Peter Crimmins Medal winner.
                      Despite a devastating injury, Lever may just be one of the feel-good stories to eventuate from this draft.
                      He may also be one of the few, if only, players to have impressed without even playing a game.
                      link: http://www.sen.com.au/news/jake-seek...e-in-the-draft
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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #281
                        Re: 2014 draft watch

                        What is this difference of 17 to 18 that you speak of, apart from one year?

                        He's effectively spent the entire year not putting game pressure on his knee, therefore there shouldn't be any risks of coming back early. He's spent the year developing his understanding of the mental aspects of the game. At under age he was above most in his age group in terms of ability. If he'd have played this year it would have been against kids again so i don't believe he has missed much at all in terms of development. If he was from a state league development area such as SA or WA then this may have been the case.

                        Be all over him if he's there at pick 6.

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 67688

                          #282
                          Re: 2014 draft watch

                          Originally posted by M.R.M
                          What is this difference of 17 to 18 that you speak of, apart from one year?

                          He's effectively spent the entire year not putting game pressure on his knee, therefore there shouldn't be any risks of coming back early. He's spent the year developing his understanding of the mental aspects of the game. At under age he was above most in his age group in terms of ability. If he'd have played this year it would have been against kids again so i don't believe he has missed much at all in terms of development. If he was from a state league development area such as SA or WA then this may have been the case.

                          Be all over him if he's there at pick 6.
                          Big difference in 17 year olds and 18 year olds - believe me. Personally, I think he is a big risk.
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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #283
                            Re: 2014 draft watch

                            Originally posted by bornadog
                            Big difference in 17 year olds and 18 year olds - believe me. Personally, I think he is a big risk.
                            That doesn't answer the question BAD. I was once 17 and i turned 18 after that. All players are a big risk. All you can do is evaluate their characteristics and output up to draft day and make an informed decision. Who would be your pick for our first selection then who's less of a risk?

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                            • Missing Dog
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8501

                              #284
                              Re: 2014 draft watch

                              Originally posted by bornadog
                              Thoughts on Lever? Big difference in being 18 to 17, so I think he is a risk.



                              link: http://www.sen.com.au/news/jake-seek...e-in-the-draft
                              An ACL on a young key position player is a big worry, but if we think he's the stand out player at that pick we've nearly got to pick him. Don't we?

                              Seems like he would ace the good blokes testing from the outside, as his professionalism towards his recovery has been very good. He also speaks very well, I dare say he would interview just as well as Bontempelli. All comes down to his level of talent from there which I hear is pretty good?

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                              • ledge
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 14550

                                #285
                                Re: 2014 draft watch

                                Clay Smith never had an injury in his life before he was picked up, in a year he has done a knee twice a shoulder and had food poisoning.
                                Every player is a risk with a previous injury it not.
                                The other example is Jake Stringer extremely bad broken leg before drafting, hasn't he come on well.
                                Go back further and Brian Royal had done two knees before even playing AFL.
                                Bring back the biff

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