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  • KT31
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jul 2008
    • 5454

    Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

    Originally posted by Dry Rot
    Anyone got a view on the Hawk's Grimley? Worth looking at?
    Originally posted by Remi Moses
    He's played less than 10 games in 5 years,not a lot of body of work.
    ( even in a great team)
    Ecker.
    It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 65621

      Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

      GEELONG has announced the delisting of Nick Bourke, George Burbury, Jordan Schroder, Jackson Sheringham and Jesse Stringer.
      FFC: Established 1883

      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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      • Axe Man
        Hall of Fame
        • Nov 2008
        • 10906

        Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

        Originally posted by bornadog
        GEELONG has announced the delisting of Nick Bourke, George Burbury, Jordan Schroder, Jackson Sheringham and Jesse Stringer.
        We're suckers for Geelong rejects at the Bulldogs. Anybody for a second J. Stringer?

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        • Happy Days
          Hall of Fame
          • May 2008
          • 10028

          Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

          Originally posted by Axe Man
          We're suckers for Geelong rejects at the Bulldogs. Anybody for a second J. Stringer?
          Nope, he's human garbage.
          - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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          • Remi Moses
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 14785

            Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

            Maybe now some media might stop calling Jake Jeesie Stringer!
            No to any of those

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            • Axe Man
              Hall of Fame
              • Nov 2008
              • 10906

              Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

              Originally posted by Remi Moses
              Maybe now some media might stop calling Jake Jeesie Stringer!
              No to any of those
              I wouldn't count on it, Gerard Healy was still calling Matthew Boyd Brad Boyd 10 years after Brad had retired!

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 65621

                Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

                Waite has walked from Carlton.
                FFC: Established 1883

                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                • Mofra
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 14802

                  Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  Waite has walked from Carlton.
                  You'd expect him to be North-bound, which means there is one less bidder for Liam Jones.
                  Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                  • Sedat
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 11056

                    Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

                    Norf think they are knee-deep in contention, and that a Waite and a Higgins is all they need to propel them to the GF. Deluded.
                    "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                    • jeemak
                      Bulldog Legend
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 21432

                      Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

                      Originally posted by Sedat
                      Norf think they are knee-deep in contention, and that a Waite and a Higgins is all they need to propel them to the GF. Deluded.
                      Their seven years of rebuilding generated one of the most ordinary preliminary final performances since 2007. They are a fair way off it.
                      TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                      • Topdog
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 7470

                        Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

                        O'Rourke has requested a trade

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                        • wimberga
                          WOOF Member
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 851

                          Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

                          Originally posted by Topdog
                          O'Rourke has requested a trade
                          we were keen on him back in his draft year - would we entertain a trade for him once again?

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                          • Greystache
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 9775

                            Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

                            Originally posted by Sedat
                            Norf think they are knee-deep in contention, and that a Waite and a Higgins is all they need to propel them to the GF. Deluded.
                            Shhhhhh, don't let them in on it.

                            Deluded is absolutely correct.
                            [COLOR="#FF0000"][B]Western Bulldogs:[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="#0000CD"][B]We exist to win premierships[/B][/COLOR]

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                            • soupman
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 5079

                              Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

                              Originally posted by jeemak
                              Their seven years of rebuilding generated one of the most ordinary preliminary final performances since 2007. They are a fair way off it.
                              Playing devils advocate, what are the alternatives?

                              1. To be a much better side than they are currently they need to get some elite talent into the club.

                              The best way to do that is through top 10 draft picks, which they don't have. They could trade for them, but it would cost a lot and break up what they think is a strong squad atm, and would be unlikely to deliver results until the draftee develops. Free agency could theoretically net them a star, but they have already recruited the best free agent that wasn't Buddy from the last two years in Dal Santo. Trading for elite talent would cost them too much. Their first pick has no value so if they wanted someone like Dangerfield they would need to give up two very good players at least.

                              So they can't improve through elite talent.

                              2. Realise what everyone else has already, that they aren't good enough, and focus all their efforts on the rebuild to end all rebuilds.

                              This would involve trading everyone that won't be near their peak in 4-5 years time and doesn't hold any value as a developer of young teammates. This means putting guys like Petrie, Thomas, Wells, Goldstein, Grima, Dal Santo and Thompson up for trade and trying to cash in like Hawthorn did with Hay, Thompson etc. Get as many top 20 draft picks as possible, pump games into them for the next 3 years and hope they have a better core to rise again with.

                              This does however mean they have to front up to their delusional supporters and tell them that:
                              -Yes we made the Prelim but that's as far as we think we can go with this group so we are restarting (or is that refreshing?)
                              -Many of the players you have loved and who have starred for us will be ruthlessly cut from our list because they aren't good enough
                              -Brent Harvey, North Melbourne Hero, can choose to play a couple more seasons with a struggling side or just retire now.
                              -North Melbourne, who never bottom out, are going to bottom out.
                              -Brad Scott, "best coach in the AFL", has failed to develop the list as well as hoped but he is still the greatest coach (this is if he is still employed after doing this)

                              So they look like idiots and alienate all their supporters if they admit that everyone else is right.

                              3. Continue with the current good squad, and try and enhance it by picking up good players from other clubs that should slightly improve you

                              This means taking advantage of the players they can get through free agency, like Higgins and Waite, and using them to try and keep the squad as strong as possible. Keep telling themselves that they can beat anybody on their day, because they have proven it, and sweep the fact that the group is mentally weak and prone to dropping easy games under the carpet. Besides, they were one match away from the Grand Final, so they are clearly in the best 4 sides no?

                              There only chance with this tactic is if they run into some good form at the end of the year, and the best sides like Sydney, Hawthorn, Fremantle, Port Adelaide etc. either cop lots of injuries, drop off unexpectedly or choke in the big finals, hopefully against North.

                              So they look like idiots to everyone else, but keep feeding the delusion to themselves.


                              You can see why option 3 is the one they are running with. Their best chance for short term success imo is continue option 3, and then try and secure someone like Dangerfield as a free agent. Even then I think they are no chance, but they are going to drop right off in 2-3 years anyway when their key players retire so they might as well have a red hot go before then.
                              I should leave it alone but you're not right

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 65621

                                Re: Other clubs delistings/Want out - 2014

                                Geelongs Taylor Hunt looking elsewhere
                                FFC: Established 1883

                                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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