Confirmed Trades, FS, FA, delistings etc for all AFL Clubs 2015

[Ghost Dog]

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Potentially 5 picks as well in top 25, plus Leu. Pretty good work

Hey, let's not get ahead of ourselves. It's Essendon. They'll find a way to stuff it up.

[GVGjr]

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One for BT

Hawthorn is considering giving delisted Demon Jack Fitzpatrick a lifeline as a delisted free agent.

Fitzpatrick, 24, played just 22 games in six years — half of which came in a promising 2013 season.

[GVGjr]

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Collingwood have submitted paperwork for Adam Treloar this evening, handing over two first-round picks (2015 + 2016) with the Pies to receive Treloar and a second round pick in return.

The deal will be formalised tomorrow according to Jay Clark.

[bulldogtragic]

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One for BT

Hawthorn is considering giving delisted Demon Jack Fitzpatrick a lifeline as a delisted free agent.

Fitzpatrick, 24, played just 22 games in six years — half of which came in a promising 2013 season.

I think he's worth a shot as a depth player who may or may not do really well. Hawthorn might just be a spot for him with limited expectation with McEvoy and Ceglar ahead of him clearly, and just try to improve in the background.

[bulldogtragic]

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Collingwood have submitted paperwork for Adam Treloar this evening, handing over two first-round picks (2015 + 2016) with the Pies to receive Treloar and a second round pick in return.

The deal will be formalised tomorrow according to Jay Clark.

So with Brisbane saying they might trade Aish now, and Collingwood not having much to trade, perhaps we can look at the Aish & Gardner combo trade?

[Bornadog]

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Lions decide to talk to Pies about Aish - they are buckling badly.

[GVGjr]

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So with Brisbane saying they might trade Aish now, and Collingwood not having much to trade, perhaps we can look at the Aish & Gardner combo trade?

Aish will go for the 2nd rounder the Pies just acquired from GWS

[bulldogtragic]

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Aish will go for the 2nd rounder the Pies just acquired from GWS

That's a horrible depreciation in value if Aish left for that return. Horrible.

[Scorlibo]

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Pick 25 for Melksham is bizarre. The guy has garnered 3 brownlow votes from 114 games playing in the midfield. He's played five full or near-full AFL seasons through the midfield and never averaged above 20 disposals. He's on a downward trend. He's one more season at the same level away from being delisted.

Also can't believe that North Melbourne would be so foolish as to give up their first rounder as well as a valuable pick to get a player who has spent 3 years in the system without having proven anything.

[bulldogtragic]

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Pick 25 for Melksham is bizarre. The guy has garnered 3 brownlow votes from 114 games playing in the midfield. He's played five full or near-full AFL seasons through the midfield and never averaged above 20 disposals. He's on a downward trend. He's one more season at the same level away from being delisted.

Also can't believe that North Melbourne would be so foolish as to give up their first rounder as well as a valuable pick to get a player who has spent 3 years in the system without having proven anything.

Inmates. Running. Asylum.

[Twodogs]

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I think he's worth a shot as a depth player who may or may not do really well. Hawthorn might just be a spot for him with limited expectation with McEvoy and Ceglar ahead of him clearly, and just try to improve in the background.

I'm a Fitzpatrick fan too.

[GVGjr]

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I think most on here will know that I really enjoy the off season particularly leading in the draft. It starts with the Draft Combine where I can pour over the results to see if we can find an athletic talent, the trade period where we can work out potential deals to improve the list and then of course the exciting draft period where we can potentially bring in some talented long term players.

For someone who enjoys all that I haven't embraced the machinations of this trade period. Sure deals are getting done, a lot of them so far, but the competition has clearly lost control of this. Far too many players are being traded, far too many players are prepared to break contracts and far too many players are forcing the hands of the club because all of a sudden they've become homesick.

I stand to be corrected but is there any other professional sport that has a draft and a salary cap that is that accommodating for players wanting to move to other clubs because they're homesick? I don't for one second believe it adds anything to our competition.

I get that we need to move players around to create opportunities but all youngsters that have gone through the elite pathway have had it drummed into them that they need to be prepared to leave home and potentially play interstate. This is a highly professional environment and the people entering the AFL have received a lot of education on that.

One of the concerns for me is that some are playing the homesick card when in fact all they are doing is chasing additional money and I think this is driven mostly by the player managers.

It currently appears that a playing contract is only to safeguard the players if the club tries to delist them but it means little for the players and their managers when other clubs dangle a bigger carrot in front of them.

I don't like where this is heading and I can see it getting worse over the next few years.

Whats your thoughts? Are you happy to see players move so freely through the system and if so why?

[Dancin' Douggy]

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I think most on here will know that I really enjoy the off season particularly leading in the draft. It starts with the Draft Combine where I can pour over the results to see if we can find an athletic talent, the trade period where we can work out potential deals to improve the list and then of course the exciting draft period where we can potentially bring in some talented long term players.

For someone who enjoys all that I haven't embraced the machinations of this trade period. Sure deals are getting done, a lot of them so far, but the competition has clearly lost control of this. Far too many players are being traded, far too many players are prepared to break contracts and far too many players are forcing the hands of the club because all of a sudden they've become homesick.

I stand to be corrected but is there any other professional sport that has a draft and a salary cap that is that accommodating for players wanting to move to other clubs because they're homesick? I don't for one second believe it adds anything to our competition.

I get that we need to move players around to create opportunities but all youngsters that have gone through the elite pathway have had it drummed into them that they need to be prepared to leave home and potentially play interstate. This is a highly professional environment and the people entering the AFL have received a lot of education on that.

One of the concerns for me is that some are playing the homesick card when in fact all they are doing is chasing additional money and I think this is driven mostly by the player managers.

It currently appears that a playing contract is only to safeguard the players if the club tries to delist them but it means little for the players and their managers when other clubs dangle a bigger carrot in front of them.

I don't like where this is heading and I can see it getting worse over the next few years.

Whats your thoughts? Are you happy to see players move so freely through the system and if so why?

I'm with you GVGjr.

[Bornadog]

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Whats your thoughts? Are you happy to see players move so freely through the system and if so why?

I don't like it one bit. The draft system was set up so that clubs finishing near the bottom, could have access to the best players and then work themselves up from the bottom of the ladder. In the past, pre the current draft system, the system just didn't work for the weaker clubs. In the years from around 1970 to the late 80's only 4 or 5 teams won the premiership because the rich clubs just bought players.

Now we find we are almost reverting back to the old days, in a different way. Young players drafted early are only spending a few years at their club and being enticed away with money. Have a look at our own club taking a number one draft pick and throwing big dollars at him. This year we see Trealor and Aish probably going to Collingwood, Toumpas off to SA and Brisbane again losing lots of players and many others from other clubs. I think it is going to get worse, and soon a club will be throwing big dollars at one of our young stars and no one is going to like that.

The AFL needs to review this , Free Agency has also started something but that is another topic.

Loyalty is now almost non existent.

[Hotdog60]

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Could the AFL introduce a penalty system for players braking a contract. Something like a swapping of cap space, the club that get the player breaking a contract gets a reduction in cap and the club loosing the contracted player get the increase. This maybe hard to do fairly but would it limit clubs with tight cap room from chasing contracted players.
The AFL is has created it's own problem with the expansion of the completion and a thinning of the talent pool.