Early Trade Rumours 2023

[Topdog]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

That is not amateur hour???


Teams win and lose

Not reviewing a serious loss is not professional.
Not revealing any outcomes of reviews is not professional.
Doing the same thing over and over again and consistently failing is unprofessional

[Bornadog]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

Not reviewing a serious loss is not professional.
Not revealing any outcomes of reviews is not professional.
Doing the same thing over and over again and consistently failing is unprofessional

No worries think what you like.

[Rocket Science]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

I just have fingers crossed, and stay positive and hope for the best.

Yes that's lovely I'm just a mite concerned our football department's been operating under much the same premise since we soiled our strides in the middle of a grand final two years ago.

[Bornadog]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

Yes that's lovely I'm just a mite concerned our football department's been operating under much the same premise since we soiled our strides in the middle of a grand final two years ago.

Well you can stay miserable thinking about that GF or move on. It is out of our hands.

[Topdog]

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Well you can stay miserable thinking about that GF or move on. It is out of our hands.

You can also learn from the mistakes but that would involve being open and honest about them

[MrMahatma]

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Do clubs actually release findings of their reviews to the public/members?

[Bornadog]

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You can also learn from the mistakes but that would involve being open and honest about them

To the public, or internally?

We don't know what happens internally.

Do clubs actually release findings of their reviews to the public/members?

I have never seen any other clubs release findings. But not saying they don't.

[G-Mo77]

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Do clubs actually release findings of their reviews to the public/members?

Possibly, I don't really follow other clubs news. It's probably more visible with actions, we have not done anything in that regard.

[Bornadog]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

Anyone into Oliver

[GVGjr]

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Our solution to this has been to barely tinker around the edges both in personnel and game plan. We've low-balled our footy dept spending while others significantly beefed up their internal resources. Bloody hell, even the stubborn dinosaurs at Corio significantly changed their game-plan last year en route to a flag.

We announced to the world that we conducted a thorough internal review 12 months ago, then we arrogantly didn't bother releasing the findings to the fans and general public other than to get ourselves a name senior assistant (Lade). When we do even worse in 2023, our response is to announce to the world (even louder this time) that we will conduct a thorough internal review, seemingly with the goal of getting ourselves a name senior assistant.

All of the above is why I currently don't believe we are a serious organisation. We have this off-season to get serious about making drastic changes to all elements of our on-field operation in order to give us the best possible opportunity at real and sustained success (nothing is guaranteed of course). We have been abject failures for 2 years and 40 minutes (especially in line with our own internal expectations) and everybody from the top of the organisation down needs to have laser focus on working every single day to change the direction of the club - the jury is well and truly out on all of our leaders and their ability to do the work absolutely necessary to get us back on track as a club.

It's not a time for rose-coloured glasses. You invariably get what you deserve in life, and we've gotten it in spades in the last 2 years and 40 minutes. What are we going to do to change this?

Thanks for the detailed analysis and the thoughts you have shared which is appreciated.

I have a slightly different take on this if the view is that we genuinely aren't a professional or serious club.
I've suspected for a while that we are probably professional enough especially if a few things fall our way but we lack that bit of ruthlessness and a single minded approach that makes some professional clubs great clubs. We are okay with being around the mark if it means we don't bottom out like we did in the bad old days.
For us making hard decisions often appears to be done as a last resort or when that is forced upon us rather than part of a clinical mindset with lofty ambitions.
We have a mindset that focuses more on the failures in the past as reasons for not doing something rather than a focus of what's possible in the future if we get it right and we clearly don't handle success or failures that well.

Just some examples since our 2016 Flag.
We clearly dined out after our GF 2016 and had a gap year in 2017.
We didn't address distracted players and that created problems within the playing group and that lingered on for a while.
We took action on Stringer at the end of 2017 but the problems were deeper than that and we really would have known about it.
We've held onto marginal players for too long.
After a GF in 2021 we chose not to replace Josh Bruce who had just had his best season with us and I think we paid for that in 2022.

Prior to 2016 when B-Mac was struggling with the job it took a bit of a player mutiny to get him replaced but also we lost our club captain along the way but it did result in a huge turnaround in fortunes. But lets face it would we have replaced B-Mac when we did if Griffen didn't force us into it?
Would we have traded for Boyd when we did if Griff didn't force it and we didn't need big time selling point for members and a good story in the media? I suspect we would have waited until his contract was expiring.
When we lost Stringer we traded late in the piece for Schache and I think this was to get us a good news story as well to offset the loss of Stringer.

Off the field we are highly professional and our work of growing the membership, community involvement, the redevelopment of the Whitten Oval and many years of impressive profits is a testament of what can be achieved and our professionalism.
I've been somewhat critical of a few fan engagement opportunities but I think Ameet has assembled an impressive team that will take us forward.

On the field though we are limited by being not willing to take a risk and I suspect that has meant we haven't achieved what we are capable of. A lot hinges on how we set-up the footy department going forward and I can't wait for some of the pieces to start falling into place.

[bulldogtragic]

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Anyone into Oliver

In and of itself, what’s this image show about him? I mean a part from socks and sandles, but he wears a uniform at work.

[Testekill]

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In regards to Bailey Smith potentially being on the table, if we don't think he's going to be at the club past 2024 then we might as well cash out while he has more value. I really don't want another repeat of Dunkley.

[jazzadogs]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

Anyone into Oliver

I wouldn't spend my money on pokies, but not sure why it matters that Oliver is. It even looks like he's wearing some sort of skin colour compression garment on his thigh? That's good rehab.

[GVGjr]

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In regards to Bailey Smith potentially being on the table, if we don't think he's going to be at the club past 2024 then we might as well cash out while he has more value. I really don't want another repeat of Dunkley.

Why do you think he's a flight risk? No one wants another Dunkley type drama to drag on but you can also find reasons to let Naughty and Tim go. The club should know if there is a potential problem and while I'm all for being proactive I don't want to be scared of some shadows either.

[hujsh]

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Is that actually Oliver? I assumed it was just a joke and was a random bogan.