ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

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From my understanding insurance was to cover if he was getting sued.
What insurance company would cover you suing someone? if that was the case we would all Go round suing each other.
He was trying to get the insurance company to pay for him suing someone because he lost the case I believe.

[Greystache]

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That's right. I knew somebody had taken somebody to court, I think honest Jim lost but given I thought the wrong parties sued each other I don't know how much attention I would give that.

Just saw something that said a two day trial was scheduled for Feb, so it must be about to kick off any day.

[Bornadog]

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I found this interesting from The Age here

Who is paying?
Essendon's insurance company is covering the costs of the players' legal bid.

[Bornadog]

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[Sedat]

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Looking forward to seeing Paul Marsh's press release in strident support of one of his previous constituents, Hal Hunter

[Greystache]

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It's ridiculous that CAS hearings wouldn't be heard de novo, otherwise you'd have low moral organisations like the AFL setting up mock tribunals to produce home town decisions that only need to be not technically illegal and there'd be minimal grounds for appeal. Other than blatantly failing a drug test no athlete in some organisations would ever be found guilty of anything.

Of course Essendon think that would be a good system, after all they tried to have ASADA's ability to conduct investigations wiped out with a court appeal preventing a sporting body using it's powers to compel athletes to cooperate. I could imagine their idea of a just system;

ASADA- We want to know what you've been injecting, who was injected, and where you got the drugs from.

Essendon- We're not telling youse nothin

AFL Tribunal- We're not interested in what ASADA is telling us, show us a failed drug test or confession. You can't? Then ASADA has failed to comfortably satisfy us on any of the grounds required by the code so the players are free to play

WADA- We can't appeal because legally the AFL tribunal didn't break any laws

Hird- This is a win for justice.

Mindless Essendon supporters- It was all a witch hunt, we never did nothin #standbyhird

[bulldogtragic]

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No mention of Australian injunctions to play this year.

[Greystache]

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No mention of Australian injunctions to play this year.

It's a surprise that someone like Watson or Stanton who probably only have one season left didn't apply for one, they could pinch this season and then serve two years suspension in retirement.

[Bornadog]

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No mention of Australian injunctions to play this year.

Apparently they will not be seeking an injunction to play. By the time the appeal is heard and a decision is made, most of the season will be over, so they may as well take the conservative route ie if they lose then their sentence is pretty much over.

[Bornadog]

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It's a surprise that someone like Watson or Stanton who probably only have one season left didn't apply for one, they could pinch this season and then serve two years suspension in retirement.

You would think that is logical for them.

[LostDoggy]

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What if the appeal is successful and we find out in June or July that the CAS rulings are found to be illegitimate. The players would therefore be no longer banned and theoretically free to return to their lists? Would that happen?

What a mess at Essendon - what if a couple of the 'topups' are perfrming really well?

Also, if the appeal is successful, it shows that the CAS procedure was faulty, not that the players were innocent. Does this mean the matter is over, or does the whole thing (god forbid) need to be reheard?

[Twodogs]

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No mention of Australian injunctions to play this year.

It's a surprise that someone like Watson or Stanton who probably only have one season left didn't apply for one, they could pinch this season and then serve two years suspension in retirement.

Id have liked to see them apply for an injunction. This is a bullshit appeal that serves little practical purpose, its a bit like having a shower with a raincoat on. I would have preferred to see the players take WADA on and destroy it. WADA must be destroyed and an honest and competent organization that takes its job seriously and wants to get at the truth must be installed in its place.

[Greystache]

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What if the appeal is successful and we find out in June or July that the CAS rulings are found to be illegitimate. The players would therefore be no longer banned and theoretically free to return to their lists? Would that happen?

What a mess at Essendon - what if a couple of the 'topups' are perfrming really well?

Also, if the appeal is successful, it shows that the CAS procedure was faulty, not that the players were innocent. Does this mean the matter is over, or does the whole thing (god forbid) need to be reheard?

The matter would need to be reheard, assuming WADA still wants to appeal. It would be a much more difficult case for WADA to prosecute because the AFL put together a tribunal of legal experts to ensure they could produce a not guilty verdict for the players without providing grounds for an appeal based on error of law. It's was a well contrived kangaroo court, it just got caught out by CAS hearing the case de novo.

[Twodogs]

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What if the appeal is successful and we find out in June or July that the CAS rulings are found to be illegitimate. The players would therefore be no longer banned and theoretically free to return to their lists? Would that happen?

What a mess at Essendon - what if a couple of the 'topups' are perfrming really well?

Also, if the appeal is successful, it shows that the CAS procedure was faulty, not that the players were innocent. Does this mean the matter is over, or does the whole thing (god forbid) need to be reheard?

Yep. But remember who the first ones to appeal were, it wasn't the players. People want to pot the players for appealing and saying they should just accept the CAS's finding. In that case how come WADA get to appeal and the players don't? is that fair?

[LostDoggy]

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Yep. But remember who the first ones to appeal were, it wasn't the players. People want to pot the players for appealing and saying they should just accept the CAS's finding. In that case how come WADA get to appeal and the players don't? is that fair?

I have no problem with the players appealing.

So if the case is reheard, is there a possibility that the players (Crameri) could be missing part of next year as well?