2023 Draft Watch

[mjp]

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Being totally honest, I found their analysis of the trade period less insightful that the majority of posters here or on the BF Bulldogs board. Didn't even mention that maybe having Croft somewhere in the 1st round might be part of why we'd trade those picks. Even if you think it's overs (and fair enough if you do) that has to be part of the analysis.

If you think back to the middle of the year when Boyd was talking to (at various times) Richards and Vandermeer, he made the point that they immediately stood out on the track because of one attribute - speed.

That gives you a bit of a window into the way most players look at things - what about this player would enable him to help our team. Players are not impressed by 'developmental' selections...they want guys who come in and are ready to play NOW. They want guys who are ready to help and contribute NOW. He made the point that when Dalrymple was recruiting we were getting +++ results from our late and rookie selections...whereas in recent times we have not gotten much. He also made the point that the club used to PLAY these players and made a negative comment about the lack of games played by Cleary - but seemed to be placing the blame for this squarely on the player versus the mc.

FWIW, most of the players seem to rate Khamis who I don't think can play (at all). My default position on this stuff is that the 'players know'...so maybe in this case, they know and we should just be playing him at half back (like Coffield).

[mjp]

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Do you bring Kids in with 4th, 5th rounders???

I think you have to mate. You have to take a chance sometimes.

The alternative is sticking with players who you will ALWAYS be trying to replace.

I'm in the minority on here in that I think McNeil has showed 'a bit' in his first few seasons...but reality is he is the sort of player we will ALWAYS be trying to replace and he is NOT best 22. So. Should we be keeping him as valuable depth knowing that if he plays any games it likely wont be more than 2-3 in a row covering for an injury, or bite the bullet and release him to see if the 'next one' is able to show a bit more?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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McNeil just shouldn't be on the list.

You have to bring something others don't. Ball winning ability, skill, aggression, pace, SOMETHING that can get you games. McNeil brings zero point of difference, so move on, and try our luck finding a needle in a haystack with a late pick.

[Dogs 24/7]

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Are WC insane not trading that first pick?

From what I can tell there's not that big a gap between Reid and the others in the top 5.
If they can snag say Curtin or McKercher and a future first which would likely be a high pick I think they'd be mad not to?
They need multiple talent injections.
I'm pretty sure they'll trade it eventually, what do others think?

The Melbourne offer just falls short of what they would want. If they had pick 5 I could see the Eagles taking that deal.
They must want Curtin and pick 6 might be one spot out of the range for them. Are we any chance of selecting him? I dont know

[Mofra]

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The Melbourne offer just falls short of what they would want. If they had pick 5 I could see the Eagles taking that deal.
They must want Curtin and pick 6 might be one spot out of the range for them. Are we any chance of selecting him? I dont know

A 195cm player with an incredible sidestep, uses it well, who has played defence and midfield?
I'd be shocked if he wasn't either in the frame for us, or we just know he's going earlier (clubs to tend to have a fair handle on who like who at the pointy end of the draft)

[hujsh]

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A 195cm player with an incredible sidestep, uses it well, who has played defence and midfield?
I'd be shocked if he wasn't either in the frame for us, or we just know he's going earlier (clubs to tend to have a fair handle on who like who at the pointy end of the draft)

I like Sanders but this guy seems too good to pass up on. You'd have to be sure he's certainly going home to take Watson or Sanders ahead woudn't you?

[mjp]

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I like Sanders but this guy seems too good to pass up on. You'd have to be sure he's certainly going home to take Watson or Sanders ahead woudn't you?

I don't really know him at all but his background has me more worried about 'going home' than others like English, Naughton (and for that matter, players like Cripps).

- Low go home factor: Players from regional areas. Even if they move states, they're still a (and it's WA) often 4+ hour drive from home. English is in this category.

- Moderate go home factor: Players from the suburban fringe. Cliche, but oftentimes things aren't all that 'comfortable' at home in any case. Everyone loves their family - don't get me wrong, but there is a big difference between a household where everyone is always at WORK 'cos they NEED to work to pay the bills versus the category below where life is a bit more comfortable...

- High go home factor: Players from affluent, inner city and coastal suburbs. They have grown up with their parents and family a CONSTANT in their lives - not too much 'ride your bike to footy training + walk to school' in this group...mum or dad give them a lift in the beemer or the merc (personal choice really) and they are VERY dependent on them for advice and support.

Anyway...that's my take...individuals are always going to be different of course...

[FrediKanoute]

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National Draft
2020 - JUH then pick 55 (Bedendo)
2021 - Darcy then 43 (Jones), 61 (Cleary)
2022 - 13 Buss, 24 Clarke, 39 Gallagher

We just haven't had the picks after the FS/Academy players. Do you bring Kids in with 4th, 5th rounders???

The big query for me is Clarke. I know we needed a smalll forward, but there were mid's available at that pick who were probably a better bet, Clarke may prove me wrong, but if we are also now looking at Watson then It seems to me we may have made the wrong choice here.

[Uninformed]

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Being totally honest, I found their analysis of the trade period less insightful that the majority of posters here or on the BF Bulldogs board. Didn't even mention that maybe having Croft somewhere in the 1st round might be part of why we'd trade those picks. Even if you think it's overs (and fair enough if you do) that has to be part of the analysis.

Pretty funny to compare Coffield and Khamis too for what I believe are obvious reasons.

The point about keeping average players too long is sound, I think. But how good our late picks are is yet to be revealed. All of Clarke, Gallagher, Bedendo and Cleary have got something. It would be nice if two or three of them really emerged this year. Whether that happens or not may still be poor development but, more likely, poor picks by the recruiters.

I like the move up to a high pick whenever possible. The opposite way didn't work too well for us - turning Curnow into Collins/Dunkley.

[Uninformed]

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There are a few factors to this and I don't disagree with much of what they said.
Drafting
Our focus has been on bringing in father son or NGA players so that is the clubs get out of jail card but we should have been prepared to take some youngsters from later in the draft rather than retaining marginally talented players like we have. We will do it again this year.
Development
Hard to argue that we haven't been great at player development. The club will probably point to the soft-cap constraints but have seemed to have now made it a priority with the latest shake-up of coaches.
Recruitment
I'd have to disagree with their views on Harmes and Coffield and whilst it's doubtful they'll shift the needle for us I don't mind these additions.

What we have done is pretty spectacular with getting top end talent. JUH is Bont level rare. Darcy might be even better. Throw in Timmy, Naughts, Baz and Matty's boy, with a special shout out to Ed, and we have had a few years of serious talent acquisition.

[mjp]

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JUH is Bont level rare. Darcy might be even better.

Bont was drafted at the end of 2014.

In 2016 he won the B&F, was All-Australian and went at 100% kicking efficiency (or something) on grand final day.

Jamarra has done a bit...but is not exactly in the same ball-park. Darcy has done less...

Darcy has been at the club as long as Bont had when he won his first B&F.

I love the positivity mate, but Bont is several levels above either of those two boys. They have potential....at the same stage of his career, he was our best player and acknowledged as such throughout the competition.

[ledge]

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Bont was drafted at the end of 2014.

In 2016 he won the B&F, was All-Australian and went at 100% kicking efficiency (or something) on grand final day.

Jamarra has done a bit...but is not exactly in the same ball-park. Darcy has done less...

Darcy has been at the club as long as Bont had when he won his first B&F.

I love the positivity mate, but Bont is several levels above either of those two boys. They have potential....at the same stage of his career, he was our best player and acknowledged as such throughout the competition.

Darcy always going to take time being tall and lanky , injuries tend to come as they grow .
Jamarra was halted in his tracks the first two years due to covid, couldn’t even play VFL as that was stopped.

[jazzadogs]

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The big query for me is Clarke. I know we needed a smalll forward, but there were mid's available at that pick who were probably a better bet, Clarke may prove me wrong, but if we are also now looking at Watson then It seems to me we may have made the wrong choice here.

I feel the same. The interest in Watson signalled a lack of confidence in Clarke, in my opinion.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Bont was drafted at the end of 2014.

End of 2013.

[mjp]

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Darcy always going to take time being tall and lanky , injuries tend to come as they grow .
Jamarra was halted in his tracks the first two years due to covid, couldn’t even play VFL as that was stopped.

No disputing this stuff from me...

But before we say Jamarra is 'Bont level rare', let's actually have a think about what Bont had done at the same stage of his career (he won another B&F in 2017 AND finished top 3 in his first year, 2015) beforehand.

Bont is putting together a resume the likes of which our footy club has never seen. The only person who is Bont level rare right now is Bont. The other two boys - they are kids with potential...they look to be talented for sure but they aren't doing 'bont things' just yet.