2023 Draft Watch

[Go_Dogs]

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Surprised so many have Curtain drifting at this stage. Not sure what more he could / should have done??

[mjp]

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Collard will be very interesting in terms of where he goes.

So - Collard goes 10 spots ahead of Tholstrup? And ahead of Riley Hardeman?

Has anyone thought that maybe it isn't just the players taking advantage of recreational drugs??

[mjp]

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Here is another one from Jourdan Canil

Again...on what planet is Zakostelsky a better prospect than Tholstrup and Sanchez?

He's only ever played ruck...but everyone acknowledges he wont be an AFL ruck...but he 'WILL' be able to make it as a key back?

Based on what exactly? Athleticism? Sure...but the best key backs in the game spend their developmental years as forwards (primarily) or defenders - where they become expert readers of ball movement, understand angles, understand risk reward situations - and he's just going to jump in and do that is he?

Good luck to the kid - seems like a great fellla - but it just feels like a leap too far to me.

[GVGjr]

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Again...on what planet is Zakostelsky a better prospect than Tholstrup and Sanchez?

He's only ever played ruck...but everyone acknowledges he wont be an AFL ruck...but he 'WILL' be able to make it as a key back?

Based on what exactly? Athleticism? Sure...but the best key backs in the game spend their developmental years as forwards (primarily) or defenders - where they become expert readers of ball movement, understand angles, understand risk reward situations - and he's just going to jump in and do that is he?

Good luck to the kid - seems like a great fellla - but it just feels like a leap too far to me.

Cournil admitted he hasn't seen enough of the WA boys.

Looks to me likes he's rated a few players incorrectly.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Cournil admitted he hasn't seen enough of the WA boys.

Looks to me likes he's rated a few players incorrectly.

He's got Caddy a lot higher than most

[macca]

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Again...on what planet is Zakostelsky a better prospect than Tholstrup and Sanchez?

He's only ever played ruck...but everyone acknowledges he wont be an AFL ruck...but he 'WILL' be able to make it as a key back?

Based on what exactly? Athleticism? Sure...but the best key backs in the game spend their developmental years as forwards (primarily) or defenders - where they become expert readers of ball movement, understand angles, understand risk reward situations - and he's just going to jump in and do that is he?

Good luck to the kid - seems like a great fellla - but it just feels like a leap too far to me.

He sounds like a Frampton

[mjp]

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He's got Caddy a lot higher than most

See...I think Caddy is being undersold.

[FrediKanoute]

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The Danny-Boyd Podcast did a show recently where they talked about our trade and draft strategy.

Tom Boyd in particular was very critical of the 3 1R draft picks given up for pick 4 and likened it to the List Management team going all in that we win the flag or finish high on the ladder next year. The made the point that its an all or nothing play which has the potential to backfire spectacularly

They also made some comments around the lack of development in our list over the last few drafts (ie none of the players taken outside of the 1st round have really made an impact) and that we are looking at a signficant age gap. They weren't overly impressed with the recruiting of Harmes and Coffield, effectively saying that Harmes is a 28 year old version of West and that Coffield is an injury prone version of Khamis.

Looking at the draft rankings, would we have been better off splitting pick 10 so have a go at a guys in the 20 to 30 range and keep the F1 pick for next year?

[hujsh]

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The Danny-Boyd Podcast did a show recently where they talked about our trade and draft strategy.

Tom Boyd in particular was very critical of the 3 1R draft picks given up for pick 4 and likened it to the List Management team going all in that we win the flag or finish high on the ladder next year. The made the point that its an all or nothing play which has the potential to backfire spectacularly

They also made some comments around the lack of development in our list over the last few drafts (ie none of the players taken outside of the 1st round have really made an impact) and that we are looking at a signficant age gap. They weren't overly impressed with the recruiting of Harmes and Coffield, effectively saying that Harmes is a 28 year old version of West and that Coffield is an injury prone version of Khamis.

Looking at the draft rankings, would we have been better off splitting pick 10 so have a go at a guys in the 20 to 30 range and keep the F1 pick for next year?

Being totally honest, I found their analysis of the trade period less insightful that the majority of posters here or on the BF Bulldogs board. Didn't even mention that maybe having Croft somewhere in the 1st round might be part of why we'd trade those picks. Even if you think it's overs (and fair enough if you do) that has to be part of the analysis.

Pretty funny to compare Coffield and Khamis too for what I believe are obvious reasons.

[GVGjr]

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The Danny-Boyd Podcast did a show recently where they talked about our trade and draft strategy.

Tom Boyd in particular was very critical of the 3 1R draft picks given up for pick 4 and likened it to the List Management team going all in that we win the flag or finish high on the ladder next year. The made the point that its an all or nothing play which has the potential to backfire spectacularly

They also made some comments around the lack of development in our list over the last few drafts (ie none of the players taken outside of the 1st round have really made an impact) and that we are looking at a signficant age gap. They weren't overly impressed with the recruiting of Harmes and Coffield, effectively saying that Harmes is a 28 year old version of West and that Coffield is an injury prone version of Khamis.

Looking at the draft rankings, would we have been better off splitting pick 10 so have a go at a guys in the 20 to 30 range and keep the F1 pick for next year?

There are a few factors to this and I don't disagree with much of what they said.
Drafting
Our focus has been on bringing in father son or NGA players so that is the clubs get out of jail card but we should have been prepared to take some youngsters from later in the draft rather than retaining marginally talented players like we have. We will do it again this year.
Development
Hard to argue that we haven't been great at player development. The club will probably point to the soft-cap constraints but have seemed to have now made it a priority with the latest shake-up of coaches.
Recruitment
I'd have to disagree with their views on Harmes and Coffield and whilst it's doubtful they'll shift the needle for us I don't mind these additions.

[Grantysghost]

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Are WC insane not trading that first pick?

From what I can tell there's not that big a gap between Reid and the others in the top 5.
If they can snag say Curtin or McKercher and a future first which would likely be a high pick I think they'd be mad not to?
They need multiple talent injections.
I'm pretty sure they'll trade it eventually, what do others think?

[Mofra]

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Cournil admitted he hasn't seen enough of the WA boys.

Looks to me likes he's rated a few players incorrectly.

I can't believe that both Leake and Ollie Murphy were 'Tier 3' players - Leake is a top 10 smoky, and I really think Ollie Murphy is a gun CHB in the making at a time where half-decent KPDs are at a premium at AFL level.

And why is everyone questioning Watson as a 170cm small forward and nobody questions Rogers as a 172cm mid, as first rounders?

[Bornadog]

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There are a few factors to this and I don't disagree with much of what they said.
Drafting
Our focus has been on bringing in father son or NGA players so that is the clubs get out of jail card but we should have been prepared to take some youngsters from later in the draft rather than retaining marginally talented players like we have. We will do it again this year.
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National Draft
2020 - JUH then pick 55 (Bedendo)
2021 - Darcy then 43 (Jones), 61 (Cleary)
2022 - 13 Buss, 24 Clarke, 39 Gallagher

We just haven't had the picks after the FS/Academy players. Do you bring Kids in with 4th, 5th rounders???

[GVGjr]

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I can't believe that both Leake and Ollie Murphy were 'Tier 3' players - Leake is a top 10 smoky, and I really think Ollie Murphy is a gun CHB in the making at a time where half-decent KPDs are at a premium at AFL level.

And why is everyone questioning Watson as a 170cm small forward and nobody questions Rogers as a 172cm mid, as first rounders?

A lot of our fans are more height focused than they need to be and don't look at what the player might actually bring.
Knowing that Rogers isn't in the mix for us, Watson's lack of height is more of a focus.
FWIW, Rogers measured in marginally taller than Watson. 169.8cm vs 169.5cm

[GVGjr]

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National Draft
2020 - JUH then pick 55 (Bedendo)
2021 - Darcy then 43 (Jones), 61 (Cleary)
2022 - 13 Buss, 24 Clarke, 39 Gallagher

We just haven't had the picks after the FS/Academy players. Do you bring Kids in with 4th, 5th rounders???

Yes you do. The other option is maintaining marginally talented players for 2 years more than you should and there are more than enough examples that highlight it hasn't quite worked.
We could have also positioned ourselves to still bring in players but haven't been brave enough to back ourselves.
The problem has been more about our ability to develop players.