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  • mjp
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 7363

    Re: 2023 Draft Watch

    Originally posted by bornadog
    Thanks for the insight. Is the list a ranking or random
    Ranking from 1-10.

    I really like Livingstone as well but he's WC Academy.
    What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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    • GVGjr
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 44636

      Re: 2023 Draft Watch

      I can't believe MJP missed Zane Zakostelsky

      Thoughts on Riley Wills?
      Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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      • lemmon
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Nov 2008
        • 6521

        Re: 2023 Draft Watch

        Originally posted by GVGjr
        The way Reid has been talked up as a generational player just seems a bit over the top. Walter is a big dynamic forward who should be able to kick goals.
        I've seen Reid get marked down a little for the way he can physically bully under-18s opposition, could you potentially make some of the same claims about Walter? Walter is uber-impressive and will rightfully go top two, but he's already built like a tank. That would give me some food for thought as we've seen physically developed key forwards not manage to make the transition to senior footy.

        I say that as a member of the Reid fan club - I'd be absolutely taking Harley at number 1. His kicking isn't the cleanest and he's not going to be able to bully around AFL footballers like he has junior kids, but I love the way he can grab a game by the scruff of the neck and break games apart. I think his work inside the contest is more crafty than he gets credit for, he's completely desperate with the way he attacks the loose ball at stoppage and his overhead marking is elite.

        Reid's durability will be an interesting watch. He does throw himself around, he's missed a bit of footy this year and his game is pretty reliant on his power. Think he'll be managed pretty tightly in his first few seasons.

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        • Axe Man
          Hall of Fame
          • Nov 2008
          • 11166

          Re: 2023 Draft Watch

          Draft Intel: All the latest AFL Draft news from around Australia

          The tall that could be a ?Mr Fix It? for Essendon. Plus, could West Coast pull off a surprise and overlook Harley Reid at pick 1? And which AFL clubs do this year?s top prospects follow?

          Excitement is building with the 2023 AFL national draft now a little over a week away.

          Here?s the latest news and views from around the country.

          THE ?SET AND FORGET? DEFENDER WHO COULD JOIN DONS

          A top-10 draft prospect who has been strongly linked to Essendon says he has become most comfortable in defence after being used as a ?Mr Fix It? throughout much of his junior football.

          Connor O?Sullivan shapes as the best key defender in this year?s draft class, standing 198cm and boasting a more mature body than most.

          Recruiters believe the Murray Bushrangers product is a ?set and forget? prospect who would be a dependable pillar in any AFL backline for many years to come, but he could also be a swingman and feature in the forward line at times if required.

          O?Sullivan has only settled in defence this year, after previously spending some time forward and though the middle of the ground.

          He even spent some time in the ruck while playing for Albury in the Ovens & Murray Football League grand final in September.

          ?Having dad (Jamarl) as coach for a few years, I was chucked around everywhere,? O?Sullivan said.

          ?I think that is one of the strengths of my game, that I?ve been able to be a bit of a Mr Fix It. But this year I?ve been pretty comfortable playing down back.

          ?I think I?ve got pretty good workrate moving around the ground for a taller guy. I?d like to say I?ve got good skills below my knees with ground balls and marking is my other strength.?

          O?Sullivan has worked with his own personal trainer in recent years to prime himself for the AFL and is said to be one of the hardest trainers at the Bushrangers alongside fellow first-round draft prospect Darcy Wilson.

          ?I sought some outside help to try and build on some of my weaknesses or things I want to improve on even more,? O?Sullivan said.

          ?It?s been really good being able to seek that outside help and be a bit more specific on what I want to build on.?

          O?Sullivan also possesses strong leadership qualities and was picked to captain the Allies in one match during the under-18 national championships this year.

          ?I?d like to hope I lead by example,? O?Sullivan said.

          ?But I?m pretty vocal out on the ground. I have tried to make that one of my focuses.?

          PICK 1, DANIEL CURTIN?

          The manager of top West Australian draft prospect Daniel Curtin believes his client is worthy of being the No.1 pick in this year?s draft ? ahead of Harley Reid.

          Jason Dover from TLA Worldwide said this week that West Coast should seriously consider keeping the first selection in the draft and picking Curtin ahead of Reid.

          Reid has been widely regarded as the No.1 pick for more than 12 months, but Dover said Curtin was one of the best prospects from the west that he had seen.

          ?If I?m West Coast and I?ve got pick one, I wouldn?t be trading that. I?d be taking Dan Curtin with pick one,? Dover said on SEN radio in Perth.

          ?We talk about generational talent. Dan in my eyes is a generational talent and one of the best that?s come out of WA in a long time.

          ?What I?ve told clubs (is) he?s the best I?ve seen come out of WA in over a decade ?(as a) footballer and a well-rounded person.?

          Dover said there was real interest in Curtin from Hawthorn (pick 4), as well as Melbourne (pick 6) if he got that far.

          The Eagles have also kept a close eye on him throughout the year.

          The 197cm Curtin is expected to start his AFL career as a key defender but also impressed playing through the midfield for much of this year.

          WHO DO THIS YEAR?S DRAFT CLASS FOLLOW?

          One of the most popular AFL teams among this year?s top draft prospects is no team at all.

          Three top-10 prospects in this year?s draft pool ? Colby McKercher, Nate Caddy and Zane Duursma ? say they like to follow AFL players rather than a specific team.

          However, a range of clubs are represented among many of the other top prospects.

          Likely No.1 pick Harley Reid is a Geelong supporter, as is West Australian ruckman Mitch Edwards and Victorian wingman Cooper Simpson.

          Small forward Nick Watson follows reigning premier Collingwood, while Jake Rogers and Archer Reid are also fans of the black and white.

          George Stevens, Archie Roberts and Arie Schoenmaker are all Carlton fans, while St Kilda also has a trio of supporters who could be top-20 picks in Ollie Murphy, Koltyn Tholstrup and Riley Hardeman.

          Top-five chance Daniel Curtin is a Fremantle supporter, along with Zane Zakostelsky and Lance Collard.

          Father-son prospect Jordan Croft and Tasmanian James Leake both support the Western Bulldogs, while Jed Walter will end up at the Gold Coast Suns but has long been a hardcore West Coast fan.

          South Australian Will McCabe ? a Hawthorn father-son prospect ? unsurprisingly follows the Hawks, where his father Luke played 138 games.

          Ryley Sanders and Ethan Read have both grown up following the Suns, while Connor O?Sullivan and Caiden Cleary are Sydney supporters.

          Darcy Wilson follows North Melbourne, where his great uncle Mick Nolan played 107 games between 1973 and 1980.

          IS IT ?BULLDOG? OR ?WIZARD? WATSON?

          Top-five draft prospect Nick Watson says he is happy to go by either of his two nicknames, which both lend themselves to different aspects of his game.

          The small forward took on the nickname ?Bulldog? during much of his junior football, because he was tenacious and went low and hard at contests.

          Over the past two years Watson has also been dubbed ?The Wizard?, given his ability to create some magic and kick miraculous goals at the attacking end of the ground.

          ?Some friendship groups calls me The Wizard, some call me Bulldog,? Watson said.

          ?I don?t mind. It?s pretty funny.

          ?The Bulldog sort of came from the grunt in my game and the way I run through packs. Then The Wizard started last year and it?s starting to get a bit of grip now.?

          Watson is firmly in the frame to join either Hawthorn (pick 4) or the Western Bulldogs (pick 5) at the pointy end of this year?s draft.

          He was the leading goalkicker at the under-18 national championships this year, booting 14 goals from four games for Vic Metro including five first-half goals in a match against Western Australia.

          ?DEVELOPMENT PLAYER? TO TOP PROSPECT

          A Gippsland Power teammate says that Tew Jiath deserves everything that comes his way after emerging as a top-30 draft prospect following a breakout season.

          Jiath ? the younger brother of Hawthorn?s Changkuoth Jiath ? only joined the talent pathways with the Power this year but shot up club draft boards in the second half of the season after making his Coates Talent League debut in round 9.

          The athletic 188cm defender plays similarly to his brother and has a strong intercept game.

          In a round 18 game against the Dandenong Stingrays, Jiath logged 29 disposals, 13 rebound 50s, 12 intercept possessions, six spoils and six tackles.

          ?At the start of the year he was more of a development player and then halfway through the year he got the call up to play his first game and ever since he played that first game he just turned it on,? Power teammate and top-five draft prospect Zane Duursma said of Jiath.

          ?He?s been incredible. He deserves everything he gets for the next few months ahead.?

          Jiath is linked to Hawthorn?s Next Generation Academy, but the Hawks would only be able to match a bid on him if he slips past pick 40.

          TOWERING RUCK STILL GROWING

          The equal-tallest player at the national draft combine believes he is still growing as he looks set to become one of the biggest ruckmen in the AFL next year.

          West Australian Mitch Edwards measured a towering 206.2cm at the draft combine in Melbourne last month but might not be done just yet.

          ?I got growing pains the other day so I reckon I might be (still growing), actually,? Edwards said.

          The big man is linked to Fremantle?s Next Generation Academy, but the Dockers would only be able to match a bid on him after pick 40.

          That looks unlikely, with Edwards tipped to be snapped up somewhere in the second-round of the draft.

          ?I would say I?m an athletic ruckman with a fair bit of potential,? Edwards said on SEN radio in Perth earlier this month.

          ?Obviously it would take me a few years to develop and I won?t be straight in the game. But I feel like I?ve got a good contested mark and I?m pretty agile for my size. One of my strengths is actually ground balls, the follow-up after the ruck taps and the actual ability to win the ruck cups to my players.?

          Edwards said he had no concerns about moving east to realise his AFL dream.

          ?Obviously, staying home would be great, but I feel like the experiences over east would also help you mature as a player a bit quicker,? he said.

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          • SquirrelGrip
            Senior Player
            • Oct 2007
            • 1523

            Re: 2023 Draft Watch

            Originally posted by GVGjr
            I can't believe MJP missed Zane Zakostelsky

            Thoughts on Riley Wills?
            If we managed to draft Zane Zakostelsky, I'd love to see his jumper presented to him by Zeno Tzatzaris.
            "I'll give him a hug before the first bounce and then I'll run into my pack and give them orders to rip him apart."

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            • mjp
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2007
              • 7363

              Re: 2023 Draft Watch

              Originally posted by GVGjr
              I can't believe MJP missed Zane Zakostelsky

              Thoughts on Riley Wills?
              I like Zakostelsky and he was a very good player at colts level. I just don't understand why people would select a kid who has never played as a defender as a defender in the first couple of rounds...it makes no sense to me.

              Wills is a nice midfielder. I'm not sure how he's an AFL player but worse players have been drafted. He's clean below his knees and his teams seem to win...interestingly he's already changed teams in the WAFL for 'senior footy opportunities' so I think he's resigned to not being selected this year.
              What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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              • GVGjr
                Moderator
                • Nov 2006
                • 44636

                Re: 2023 Draft Watch

                Originally posted by mjp
                I like Zakostelsky and he was a very good player at colts level. I just don't understand why people would select a kid who has never played as a defender as a defender in the first couple of rounds...it makes no sense to me.

                Wills is a nice midfielder. I'm not sure how he's an AFL player but worse players have been drafted. He's clean below his knees and his teams seem to win...interestingly he's already changed teams in the WAFL for 'senior footy opportunities' so I think he's resigned to not being selected this year.
                I listened to a recent interview of Wills and he said a few clubs have expressed some interest but it didn't sound like he was that confident.
                Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                • GVGjr
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 44636

                  Re: 2023 Draft Watch

                  I was reading an article on Nick Watson who is currently running with two nicknames which is clearly not acceptable.

                  One is the Wizard and I think we've all heard that one, the other is Bulldog in that he is a very determined type and it has a nice link to the club.
                  If we are to select him which nickname is your preference?
                  Would we be happy for Ryley Sanders to be christened The Colonel if he comes to the Dogs?
                  Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                  • ledge
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 14309

                    Re: 2023 Draft Watch

                    Originally posted by GVGjr
                    I was reading an article on Nick Watson who is currently running with two nicknames which is clearly not acceptable.

                    One is the Wizard and I think we've all heard that one, the other is Bulldog in that he is a very determined type and it has a nice link to the club.
                    If we are to select him which nickname is your preference?
                    Would we be happy for Ryley Sanders to be christened The Colonel if he comes to the Dogs?
                    This is another consideration that our hierarchy have to make on who to choose, nicknames are certainly a major thought in who we pick.
                    Bring back the biff

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                    • azabob
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 15306

                      Re: 2023 Draft Watch

                      Originally posted by The Doctor
                      That sums up how I see it. Watson, Curtin, Sanders in that order. I'd love all 3 to be honest.

                      Watson - have banged on about him for almost 2 years now. Nothing has changed my mind on him. He's a freak, a matchwinner and I love freaking matchwinners. I have bemoaning our lack of small forwards for about 5 years now. We still lack quality finishers. What a killer forward line we would have with the Wizz in there.
                      Doc, how does Watson compare to Rankine who I also know you are a huge fan of.
                      More of an In Bruges guy?

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                      • The Doctor
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 3702

                        Re: 2023 Draft Watch

                        Originally posted by azabob
                        Doc, how does Watson compare to Rankine who I also know you are a huge fan of.
                        That is a really good question.

                        Rankine and Watson at elite u/18 level would be the best 2 small forwards Ive seen come through in at least the last 10 years, maybe more. I'm saying that without checking! But these 2 certainly grabbed me the most I can think of on the spot since since Eddie (who actually played a lot of midfield at junior level). That was about 20 years ago!

                        They have a number of things in common. Predatory instincts being one of them. They both can sniff out a goal where others just can't see it and they create it. They make things happen and don't just wait for it or sit out the back or go for the joe the goose. They can both produce the miraculous. Both have swagger and charm.

                        I think Rankine is an inside 50 specialist and arguably the more brilliant. I give him the nod there whereas Watson is superior to Rankine upfield. Watson looks composed behind the ball or half forward/wing and may offer more versatility.
                        Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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                        • The Doctor
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 3702

                          Re: 2023 Draft Watch

                          Originally posted by GVGjr

                          Would we be happy for Ryley Sanders to be christened The Colonel if he comes to the Dogs?

                          No. Definately not. The Colonel stands for junk food no matter how tasty and how many times I have binged on it!

                          Id rather something cool like 'The Sandman' like the classic Aussie car which was cool and everyone wanted one.
                          Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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                          • GVGjr
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 44636

                            Re: 2023 Draft Watch

                            Originally posted by The Doctor
                            No. Definately not. The Colonel stands for junk food no matter how tasty and how many times I have binged on it!

                            Id rather something cool like 'The Sandman' like the classic Aussie car which was cool and everyone wanted one.
                            Love it, some creative thinking. Could it be the Blizzard?
                            Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                            • azabob
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15306

                              Re: 2023 Draft Watch

                              Originally posted by The Doctor
                              That is a really good question.

                              Rankine and Watson at elite u/18 level would be the best 2 small forwards Ive seen come through in at least the last 10 years, maybe more. I'm saying that without checking! But these 2 certainly grabbed me the most I can think of on the spot since since Eddie (who actually played a lot of midfield at junior level). That was about 20 years ago!

                              They have a number of things in common. Predatory instincts being one of them. They both can sniff out a goal where others just can't see it and they create it. They make things happen and don't just wait for it or sit out the back or go for the joe the goose. They can both produce the miraculous. Both have swagger and charm.

                              I think Rankine is an inside 50 specialist and arguably the more brilliant. I give him the nod there whereas Watson is superior to Rankine upfield. Watson looks composed behind the ball or half forward/wing and may offer more versatility.
                              Thanks for that.

                              I wouldn't mind betting that supporters would've been 50/50 on drafting Rankine at pick three in his draft year due to being a small forward, but fast forward to now you would not hesitate selecting him at pick three.

                              A tough decision for the recruiting team.
                              More of an In Bruges guy?

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                              • The Underdog
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 6871

                                Re: 2023 Draft Watch

                                Originally posted by GVGjr
                                I was reading an article on Nick Watson who is currently running with two nicknames which is clearly not acceptable.

                                One is the Wizard and I think we've all heard that one, the other is Bulldog in that he is a very determined type and it has a nice link to the club.
                                If we are to select him which nickname is your preference?
                                Would we be happy for Ryley Sanders to be christened The Colonel if he comes to the Dogs?
                                I hate the Colonel, with his wee beady eyes…
                                Park that car
                                Drop that phone
                                Sleep on the floor
                                Dream about me

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