2023 List Management Thread

[EasternWest]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Reality is I will never know if he does re-sign with us as we have no where on woof where this information is easily accessed.

It's a good point. The only way we'll know is if he runs out on the field Rd 1 next year.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Josh Bruce: 1 year
Hayden Crozier: go
Bailey Williams: stay 3 years
Laitham Vandermeer: go
Lachlan McNeil: go
Anthony Scott: 1 year
Tim O'Brien: ?
Jordon Sweet: ?
Roarke Smith: ?
Mitch Hannan: go
Dominic Bedendo: ?
Buku Khamis: 1 year
Robbie McComb: go
Cody Raak: extend Cat B
Toby McLean: go
Alex Keath: retire
Taylor Duryea: retire
Oskar Baker: extend
James O?Donnell: extend

[macca]

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Pretty much agree on all the above except for McNeil to keep as a rookie. He is still young and can have time to invest. He did play some good games in 2021.

Anthony Scott is the one I nominate to be the best potential to become a solid senior player. He is starting to be consistent this year and plays multiple roles.

[bulldogtragic]

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Pretty much agree on all the above except for McNeil to keep as a rookie. He is still young and can have time to invest. He did play some good games in 2021.

Anthony Scott is the one I nominate to be the best potential to become a solid senior player. He is starting to be consistent this year and plays multiple roles.

McNeil must be promoted or delisted, he’s hit the maximum three years. Of those choices, I go with delist and not promote.

Scott is a no brainer. Solid 20-25 type player.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I'd keep Bedendo for a year, agree with the list BT.

Suspect we keep a few on that list that I wish we wouldn't.

[bulldogtragic]

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I'd keep Bedendo for a year, agree with the list BT.

Suspect we keep a few on that list that I wish we wouldn't.

Time to hit the trade and draft. We need some talent to progress. Holding onto to players 17 other clubs wouldn’t want either just prohibits our ability to bring in talent…. But I fear you are right!

[azabob]

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I'd keep Bedendo for a year, agree with the list BT.

Suspect we keep a few on that list that I wish we wouldn't.

Genuine question other than athletic traits what AFL traits has Bedendo shown?

[DOG GOD]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Josh Bruce: 1 year
Hayden Crozier: goodbye
Bailey Williams: 3 years
Laitham Vandermeer: goodbye
Lachlan McNeil: goodbye
Anthony Scott: 2 year
Tim O'Brien: 1 year
Jordon Sweet: 1 year
Roarke Smith: goodbye
Mitch Hannan: goodbye
Dominic Bedendo: 1 year
Buku Khamis: 1 year
Robbie McComb: goodbye
Cody Raak: ???
Toby McLean: 1 year
Alex Keath: retired
Taylor Duryea: retired
Oskar Baker: 2 years
James O?Donnell: ???

[GVGjr]

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Genuine question other than athletic traits what AFL traits has Bedendo shown?

He's a very good high mark but I'm not sire if that is primarily because of his athletic traits.
I'd be happy enough for the club to give him another season given his injury run this year.

[azabob]

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Trying to look ahead 18 months the 2024 OOC are looking fairly straight forward and minimal list delisting's.

It is looking highly likely that Croft will cost a mid first to mid second round pick and will be too good to pass up.

On the flip side I really want us to hit the draft and take 4 top 30 picks to help bring through some more midfield talent - which the list is in desperate need of.

The other thing floating around in my head is something jeemak said is you can't change the list over all in one go.

Over the next two years we should be aiming for approx. 12 list changes. Hopefully a couple of players will stand up and surprise and demand a contract extension.

With that in mind anyone with multi year contracts I think have a future with the club and anyone with a single year contract is either in the last chance saloon.

Josh Bruce: 1 year - he has really embraced going back into defense and was really solid pre injury.
Hayden Crozier: GO - would love to keep him around for experience but age has really caught up with him.
Bailey Williams: 3 years - hopefully Williams isn't a contract year perform type player. One of our most consistent in 2023
Laitham Vandermeer:1 year - pace, pace and more pace. Seems best 22 when fit so gets another year.
Lachlan McNeil: GO - has pace but doesn't impact the contest or enough when he gets the ball.
Anthony Scott: 2 years - I've been a huge fan since he came to the club - Mr. Versatile
Tim O'Brien: 1 year - injury prone and not week in week out consistent when fit, which we need from our defenders.
Jordon Sweet: 2 years - Break glass in case of emergency.
Roarke Smith: 2 years - I think we really could've used him in the first 11 rounds but injury has kept him out.
Mitch Hannan: GO: Doesn't take enough of his opportunities when he is picked.
Dominic Bedendo: GO - He's been unlucky with injuries this year; not sure what role he plays moving forward.
Buku Khamis: GO - He seems suited to the third tall role either back or forward but the MC see him as a forward only and we seem stocked for that type of position.
Robbie McComb: GO - tries extremely hard just not good enough for this level.
Cody Raak: GO - he has been around the club for a number of years but doesn't seem to be making enough of an impact.
Toby McLean: 1 year - Clearly has lost his pace and struggles with the speed of the game. Deserves another pre season to get his body 100% right.
Alex Keath: GO - His last couple of years have been ruined by injury, as a result his pace has gone. Now goes to ground too often.
Taylor Duryea: 1 year - Provides strong leadership and currently best 22 but his body is letting him down. Hopefully someone demands his position over the pre season.
Oskar Baker: 2 years - In the first 11 rounds has made the second wing spot his own. Isn't afraid to use his pace and long kicking (meters gained into todays game is king). I also love his self confidence.
James O?Donnell: 2 years - clearly has something and should get a two year contract like any other draftee would.

[JanLorMill]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Scott 1 year- no one is gonna steal him. Same with R smith, Baker. Sweet 2 as every team wants rucks. Time to look past Dureya

[EasternWest]

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Trying to look ahead 18 months the 2024 OOC are looking fairly straight forward and minimal list delisting's.

It is looking highly likely that Croft will cost a mid first to mid second round pick and will be too good to pass up.

On the flip side I really want us to hit the draft and take 4 top 30 picks to help bring through some more midfield talent - which the list is in desperate need of.

The other thing floating around in my head is something jeemak said is you can't change the list over all in one go.

Over the next two years we should be aiming for approx. 12 list changes. Hopefully a couple of players will stand up and surprise and demand a contract extension.

With that in mind anyone with multi year contracts I think have a future with the club and anyone with a single year contract is either in the last chance saloon.

Josh Bruce: 1 year - he has really embraced going back into defense and was really solid pre injury.
Hayden Crozier: GO - would love to keep him around for experience but age has really caught up with him.
Bailey Williams: 3 years - hopefully Williams isn't a contract year perform type player. One of our most consistent in 2023
Laitham Vandermeer:1 year - pace, pace and more pace. Seems best 22 when fit so gets another year.
Lachlan McNeil: GO - has pace but doesn't impact the contest or enough when he gets the ball.
Anthony Scott: 2 years - I've been a huge fan since he came to the club - Mr. Versatile
Tim O'Brien: 1 year - injury prone and not week in week out consistent when fit, which we need from our defenders.
Jordon Sweet: 2 years - Break glass in case of emergency.
Roarke Smith: 2 years - I think we really could've used him in the first 11 rounds but injury has kept him out.
Mitch Hannan: GO: Doesn't take enough of his opportunities when he is picked.
Dominic Bedendo: GO - He's been unlucky with injuries this year; not sure what role he plays moving forward.
Buku Khamis: GO - He seems suited to the third tall role either back or forward but the MC see him as a forward only and we seem stocked for that type of position.
Robbie McComb: GO - tries extremely hard just not good enough for this level.
Cody Raak: GO - he has been around the club for a number of years but doesn't seem to be making enough of an impact.
Toby McLean: 1 year - Clearly has lost his pace and struggles with the speed of the game. Deserves another pre season to get his body 100% right.
Alex Keath: GO - His last couple of years have been ruined by injury, as a result his pace has gone. Now goes to ground too often.
Taylor Duryea: 1 year - Provides strong leadership and currently best 22 but his body is letting him down. Hopefully someone demands his position over the pre season.
Oskar Baker: 2 years - In the first 11 rounds has made the second wing spot his own. Isn't afraid to use his pace and long kicking (meters gained into todays game is king). I also love his self confidence.
James O?Donnell: 2 years - clearly has something and should get a two year contract like any other draftee would.

Good one aza, although I'm confused by your Vandermeer/McNeil position. Your argument that McNeil should go because he has pace but doesn't impact the contest enough when he has the ball perfectly describes Vandermeer.

Except Vandermeer is a bit of a knucklehead in the Jayden Schofield mould. I can't see any reason at all for keeping him, but if it was a choice between the two for me it's a no brainer.

[GVGjr]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Josh Bruce: 1 year - he has really embraced going back into defense and was really solid pre injury.
Hayden Crozier: GO - would love to keep him around for experience but age has really caught up with him.
Bailey Williams: 3 years - hopefully Williams isn't a contract year perform type player. One of our most consistent in 2023
Laitham Vandermeer:1 year - pace, pace and more pace. Seems best 22 when fit so gets another year.
Lachlan McNeil: GO - has pace but doesn't impact the contest or enough when he gets the ball.
Anthony Scott: 2 years - I've been a huge fan since he came to the club - Mr. Versatile
Tim O'Brien: 1 year - injury prone and not week in week out consistent when fit, which we need from our defenders.
Jordon Sweet: 2 years - Break glass in case of emergency.
Roarke Smith: 2 years - I think we really could've used him in the first 11 rounds but injury has kept him out. Go
Mitch Hannan: GO: Doesn't take enough of his opportunities when he is picked.
Dominic Bedendo: GO - He's been unlucky with injuries this year; not sure what role he plays moving forward. Keep, offer 1 year deal
Buku Khamis: GO - He seems suited to the third tall role either back or forward but the MC see him as a forward only and we seem stocked for that type of position. Keep, offer 1 or 2 year deal
Robbie McComb: GO - tries extremely hard just not good enough for this level.
Cody Raak: GO - he has been around the club for a number of years but doesn't seem to be making enough of an impact.
Toby McLean: 1 year - Clearly has lost his pace and struggles with the speed of the game. Deserves another pre season to get his body 100% right.
Alex Keath: GO - His last couple of years have been ruined by injury, as a result his pace has gone. Now goes to ground too often.
Taylor Duryea: 1 year - Provides strong leadership and currently best 22 but his body is letting him down. Hopefully someone demands his position over the pre season.
Oskar Baker: 2 years - In the first 11 rounds has made the second wing spot his own. Isn't afraid to use his pace and long kicking (meters gained into todays game is king). I also love his self confidence.
James O?Donnell: 2 years - clearly has something and should get a two year contract like any other draftee would.

I agree with a lot of what you have details and have highlighted the differences. I'm lukewarm on McLean because if we aren't playing him now we aren't likely to play him next year either. I could also be talked into keeping Cody Raak for another year.
Other than that Khamis deserves a chance to continue and so should Bedendo but I wonder if it would be wise to continue with Roarke Smith.
A lot might depend on who we add in the MS draft.

Good list.

[azabob]

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Good one aza, although I'm confused by your Vandermeer/McNeil position. Your argument that McNeil should go because he has pace but doesn't impact the contest enough when he has the ball perfectly describes Vandermeer.

Except Vandermeer is a bit of a knucklehead in the Jayden Schofield mould. I can't see any reason at all for keeping him, but if it was a choice between the two for me it's a no brainer.

Honestly rightly or wrongly when VDM plays something happens - good or bad. McNeil for me is just too vanilla even for vanilla.

[azabob]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

I agree with a lot of what you have details and have highlighted the differences. I'm lukewarm on McLean because if we aren't playing him now we aren't likely to play him next year either. I could also be talked into keeping Cody Raak for another year.
Other than that Khamis deserves a chance to continue and so should Bedendo but I wonder if it would be wise to continue with Roarke Smith.
A lot might depend on who we add in the MS draft.

Good list.

I'd be ok with McLean staying or going end of this year.

I feel by keeping Khamis, Bedendo and Raak we get stuck in the cycle of handing out contracts and then wonder why where our young talent is.

Roarke Smith has shown he can play at the level; typically in big games. He won't win the game off his boot but he is a foot solider that can stand up.

Essentially it comes down to how many list changes can we possibly make in one year, considering we need to bring in players to replace them.