2023 List Management Thread

[Hot_Doggies]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

If Bedendo is worth a spot on the list this year, surely we keep him for next.

He was flying preseason and has some attributes we badly need.

[JanLorMill]

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If Bedendo is worth a spot on the list this year, surely we keep him for next.

He was flying preseason and has some attributes we badly need.

Fair enough but I doubt anyone else will pick him up on no exposed form.
Rookie him

[GVGjr]

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If Bedendo is worth a spot on the list this year, surely we keep him for next.

He was flying preseason and has some attributes we badly need.

I tend to agree that he is worth another season but he's very much a marking player at the moment and we are flush with taller forwards at the moment and we potentially add another in Croft.

[azabob]

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I'd keep Roarke if we cut deeper than that list Rocco. He's one I'm iffy about losing as I thought he slot into a nice role in 2021 but then has been injured pretty much since then. He'll need to take a main list spot though won't he?

There are also guys like

- Anthony Scott, 29 next year, having a decent season. Is he a must keep?
- Khamis. Not getting a gig at all, out of contract. Is he good enough?
- Keath. Showing serious signs of wear and tear the last 2 seasons. 32 next season.
- Sweet. Can't get a game either. Depth and will likely attract suitors.

Out of our players that are out of contract only Williams and Sweet will attract interest. We're not going to to be able to trade any of the others as there would probably be no interest at all and we'll likely extend a 1 or 2 of them, delist the rest. Either way big decisions to be made as the list has been built last off season to contend and we're not even close to that.

Our list cull needs to be deep and swift.
No reason why we can?t turn over 10-12 players over the next two years.

[Bornadog]

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My delistings:

* Bruce - ( Retire)
* Crozier (retire)
* Duryea (retire)
* Hannan
* Keath (Retire)
* McComb
* McNeil
* Raak
*Sweet (Trade) poor bloke needs a run at it and maybe another club will give him an opportunity.

Bring in 2 developing Ruckman and another developing KPP

[China Dog]

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Totally agree.

[Bornadog]

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Totally agree.

Could throw in Buku as well.

[Rocco Jones]

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My delistings:

* Bruce - ( Retire)
* Crozier (retire)
* Duryea (retire)
* Hannan
* Keath (Retire)
* McComb
* McNeil
* Raak
*Sweet (Trade) poor bloke needs a run at it and maybe another club will give him an opportunity.

Bring in 2 developing Ruckman and another developing KPP

Delisting 4 guys who are in our 22 tomorrow and probably 5 if we include likely sub. That's not having a go at your delisting but that's a lot. Says a lot about how we are filling that 22.

With Sweet, I don't know how many sides would be interested. Eagles were. It would be more a clearance than a trade of any real value. I would keep him as back up and I think that's all he is elsewhere. Reality is, he beats non rucks, most non AFL listed rucks and very raw AFL rucks but he more often than not, loses to mature, back up, AFL list ruckman like Campbell and Moyle (well he is 21 but is mature bodywise).

I think he is behind guys like Phillips, Soldo, Ceglar, Moyle and Campbell but not too far off. These guys are like journeymen back up centres in the NBA to me. Take them or leave them with needs. I think attitude is huge with them. Campbell an example of staying around forever because he adds back up value but also his an attitude really suited to being a back up and staying positive.

[EasternWest]

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I'd keep Sweet for the ongoing woof LOLs alone.

[Bornadog]

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Delisting 4 guys who are in our 22 tomorrow and probably 5 if we include likely sub. That's not having a go at your delisting but that's a lot. Says a lot about how we are filling that 22.

With Sweet, I don't know how many sides would be interested. Eagles were. It would be more a clearance than a trade of any real value. I would keep him as back up and I think that's all he is elsewhere. Reality is, he beats non rucks, most non AFL listed rucks and very raw AFL rucks but he more often than not, loses to mature, back up, AFL list ruckman like Campbell and Moyle (well he is 21 but is mature bodywise).

I think he is behind guys like Phillips, Soldo, Ceglar, Moyle and Campbell but not too far off. These guys are like journeymen back up centres in the NBA to me. Take them or leave them with needs. I think attitude is huge with them. Campbell an example of staying around forever because he adds back up value but also his an attitude really suited to being a back up and staying positive.

Well I wanted to show how a real cut could happen. Even though we turn over around 6 to 8 every year under Bevo, posters keep saying we don’t cut deep enough.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Well I wanted to show how a real cut could happen. Even though we turn over around 6 to 8 every year under Bevo, posters keep saying we don’t cut deep enough.

The problem I see is that we don't cut the players that the coach won't play.

While we have Bruce, Keath, Duryea and Crozier as possible retirements, we probably need to be cutting players that are too far back in the queue.

Top of the list is McComb who now seems likely to play only when we have serious injury.

Khamis fits that category as well. He doesn't fit what the coach needs in defence and is way behind the marking forwards.
Cody Raak is similar but even further back.

[bulldogtragic]

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I was so bullish on the list coming into the year, but we are in big trouble.

For varied reasons West, Garcia, Cleary (no games), Benebdo, Buku & Raak have gone nowhere. Age is quickly catching Bruce, Keath, Duryea, Crozier and even Libba (whose ridiculous handball to No one, turn over goals isn?t a great new feature. Macrae looks to have dropped a notch, McLean is a shadow of himself, B. Smith hits a target 2% of the time and Bont looks beat up. We?ve turned a club leading goal kicker, Lobb, from 2022 into a part time winger and ineffective forward in a super ineffective forward line. Naughton is wasted there and the forwards have shit entries and crowd each other.

Under Bevo we are ladder plodders so we tend to get average first round picks, which we do our best with. Never going top 4 to give us a better chance to win a flag, not bottoming out and getting great picks. Sure Naughton will take a MOTY, Cody is a cherry on top and Mr 2% looks good 2% of the time. But they?re not the elite top 5 talent. This year will be the same, except after matched bids the Dunkley pick could be outside the top 20. These are not the picks needed right now.

We need to rebuild. We won?t. Arguably we can?t and we won?t trade good players I presume to hit the draft. I?ve overestimated this list and see the need for a big cut and a proper rebuild. If Bevo remains (I assume he will) we won?t rebuild, we will continue his dogma on players and retaining guys for a year or two too long (see VDM) and we will calmly sleep walk off the cliff very soon. But then we we will get years of good draft picks and a coach with fresh ideas.

I really thought there was so much more depth and character in the current list, but it?s time for a rebuild and deep cut in my opinion. But I?m in the vast minority so I will watch on as the club trades and spends at the fringes thinking that?s all that is needed until it implodes. To think this era could?ve been anything and I think that the lack of development of draftees and inability to teach guys like Mr 2% to maybe become Mr 30%, or have ?captains goals?, forwards who know what they?re doing and have forwards (especially Naughton) kick easy goals has really hurt us.

I think Milesi & Power have gotten us the talent. But we?ve destroyed it. Case in point, Marra as a junior was an exceptional set shot for goal. Not now. Plus a coach that demands flexibility, except from himself (see Bruce getting killed back and Naughton getting killed forward and doing nothing).

But let?s just see what happens at the end of season. If it?s a tweak of the list, then buckle up, it?s going to be a lean few years. I?d rather do the hard work now and try to bounce back while Bont is playing even in his twilight.

[GVGjr]

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Well I wanted to show how a real cut could happen. Even though we turn over around 6 to 8 every year under Bevo, posters keep saying we don’t cut deep enough.

It's an interesting perspective. Some say we don't cut into the list enough and others say the list isn't that strong if we fall a bit short on expectations. I think for many of us we effectively say the same things about the list but with different timings.

From my perspective we have too many players with limited upside and potential and we've got an imbalanced list. We need to address that now rather than wait.

[MrMahatma]

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Our list cull needs to be deep and swift.
No reason why we can?t turn over 10-12 players over the next two years.

We’d do that normally wouldn’t we?

Last year we got turned over 8.
Hunter
Schache
Dunkley
Cordy
Martin
Butler
Parker
Wallis

12 in 2 years would be pretty normal. In terms of “cutting deep”, I’m not sure it makes sense to go around turning over 10+ in 1 year. Is that actually good list management? You gotta replace them with others who are better if we’re to improve.

I’d say we’ll move on 8 or so again and keep a few mature bodies on the list that may not be world beaters but can play a role.

[Mofra]

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Well I wanted to show how a real cut could happen. Even though we turn over around 6 to 8 every year under Bevo, posters keep saying we don’t cut deep enough.

I'd keep one of Keath or Bruce - we need depth in our KPDs, especially while Buss & JOD are developing and Jones may not stay durable at his age