2023 List Management Thread

[macca]

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That?s good to know.

Is English worth $1.1M? That?s a discussion that needs to hashed out. I rate him over Naughton if it was keeping one or the other. But at $1.1M that?s not an automatic ?yes? from me.

Midfield ruckman( not very good against decent Ruck contests and top 4 midfield )
English has had a taste of playing GF, how much is he willing to forgo to get another taste ?
Luke Jackson would be good example , not sure when Freo will play in the next GF, but it may not be this decade or in his career . But his Jackson already has one premiership so his had more than most other afl players can dream
We should not do a Grundy type deal that will ruin the salary cap balance
If he wants $1.1 m let another club pay for him , can we get a first round pick please for this type of potential trade ?

[bulldogtragic]

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Midfield ruckman( not very good against decent Ruck contests and top 4 midfield )
English has had a taste of playing GF, how much is he willing to forgo to get another taste ?
Luke Jackson would be good example , not sure when Freo will play in the next GF, but it may not be this decade or in his career . But his Jackson already has one premiership so his had more than most other afl players can dream
We should not do a Grundy type deal that will ruin the salary cap balance
If he wants $1.1 m let another club pay for him , can we get a first round pick please for this type of potential trade ?

If he’s traded on a $1.1M long term contract. That’s multiple first rounders. I’d prefer he stay on a much fairer salary.

[Bornadog]

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If he’s traded on a $1.1M long term contract. That’s multiple first rounders. I’d prefer he stay on a much fairer salary.

I don't think it will be a $1.1 million offer, but that is just a gut feel. ( I mean from us)

[bulldogtragic]

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I don't think it will be a $1.1 million offer, but that is just a gut feel. ( I mean from us)

For me, once the figure hits $1,000,000 a season I have serious doubts about the deal. Not Tim. The deal. I think I’d take the couple of First Rounders and huge salary cap savings. Every deal has a breaking point. For me, he’s an $850,000 or maybe a smidge higher type contract. If that’s the price, then sign him up now.

[Bornadog]

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For me, once the figure hits $1,000,000 a season I have serious doubts about the deal. Not Tim. The deal. I think I’d take the couple of First Rounders and huge salary cap savings. Every deal has a breaking point. For me, he’s an $850,000 or maybe a smidge higher type contract. If that’s the price, then sign him up now.

As for me, I don't care what the players are on - but that is me.

I am more concerned about the calibre of players on the list and we need to move on at least 8 players.

[Mofra]

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That?s good to know.

Is English worth $1.1M? That?s a discussion that needs to hashed out. I rate him over Naughton if it was keeping one or the other. But at $1.1M that?s not an automatic ?yes? from me.

$900k base, $100k performance bonus for podium B&F finish $100k AA bonus. It's possible.
Dane Swan mentioned he had a $50k bonus clause in his contract for making the AA team.

[Bornadog]

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$900k base, $100k performance bonus for podium B&F finish $100k AA bonus. It's possible.
Dane Swan mentioned he had a $50k bonus clause in his contract for making the AA team.

I like performance base. I remember Simon Beasley was on one and got $x for each goal he kicked

[bulldogtragic]

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As for me, I don't care what the players are on - but that is me.

I am more concerned about the calibre of players on the list and we need to move on at least 8 players.

When there’s a salary cap, I can’t help but think about the ramifications of over paying players if that stops us from getting more better calibre players.

I agree on the list main turnover at 8. A harder prune this year and refresh/rebuild off the back of it with two first rounders and enough points for Croft in the first round too. I hope we have the stones to it.

[Bornadog]

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When there’s a salary cap, I can’t help but think about the ramifications of over paying players if that stops us from getting more better calibre players.

I agree on the list main turnover at 8. A harder prune this year and refresh/rebuild off the back of it with two first rounders and enough points for Croft in the first round too. I hope we have the stones to it.

spot on BT

[bulldogtragic]

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$900k base, $100k performance bonus for podium B&F finish $100k AA bonus. It's possible.
Dane Swan mentioned he had a $50k bonus clause in his contract for making the AA team.

Still too rich for my blood. $1.1M is just a huuuge sum of money for a ruckman. I like Tim, but not that alleged price.

[EasternWest]

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$1.1 million reasons. Many don't think he is worth it.

He's not, but because we've put all our eggs in his basket he is.

[bulldogtragic]

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He's not, but because we've put all our eggs in his basket he is.

Perfect summation of the issue.

But still…

[Mofra]

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For me, once the figure hits $1,000,000 a season I have serious doubts about the deal. Not Tim. The deal. I think I’d take the couple of First Rounders and huge salary cap savings. Every deal has a breaking point. For me, he’s an $850,000 or maybe a smidge higher type contract. If that’s the price, then sign him up now.

Now, or after a 20-30% salary cap increase, as some are suggesting?
I read the manager's comments as being the range similar players would get paid post-cap increase.

It seems the main reason both Timmy & Naughton have put their contract talks off until after this season. Still gives us 12 months to come to an agreement.

[GVGjr]

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Now, or after a 20-30% salary cap increase, as some are suggesting?
I read the manager's comments as being the range similar players would get paid post-cap increase.

It seems the main reason both Timmy & Naughton have put their contract talks off until after this season. Still gives us 12 months to come to an agreement.

While it would be to think contract talks are progressing and that it's just 50K or so a season that's being negotiated we don't need to rush things and we have a lot of time up to get deals done.
To me a 20% bump to the salary cap would be substantial and a 1M a season type deal would be closer to the mark.

Plenty to play out and plenty of time to get it right.

[bulldogtragic]

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Now, or after a 20-30% salary cap increase, as some are suggesting?
I read the manager's comments as being the range similar players would get paid post-cap increase.

It seems the main reason both Timmy & Naughton have put their contract talks off until after this season. Still gives us 12 months to come to an agreement.

Problem with Tim going, is it really needs to be this year if he’s going. Even as a RFA next year, our hand is weakened if there’s no contract. If he gets $900,000 for instance, most contracts like his are tied to cap increases. So a 20% cap increase gets applied to his $900,000 > $1,080,000 over the CBA period.

He could sign quickly for a fair value and repay the years of good faith and still benefit from the cap increase. But I suspect he’s after more over the CBA period which is where I just don’t see value.