2023 List Management Thread

[azabob]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

F2 - Lohmann
F3 - Coffield

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Stop trading away our future and future draft picks.

[bulldogtragic]

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Stop trading away our future and future draft picks.

I’m not sure how we are trading in players with next to no mid range picks at this point. Once we upgrade we will work our backside off getting points for Croft (including Sweet & Khamis for points). That will take most if not all picks.

So unless we are trading others, not yet made public, I’m not sure how we can trade anyone in without trading future picks. How do you propose we upgrade to Watson, pay for Croft and have the types of picks needed to trade for players?

[Hotdog60]

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I’m not sure how we are trading in players with next to no mid range picks at this point. Once we upgrade we will work our backside off getting points for Croft (including Sweet & Khamis for points). That will take most if not all picks.

So unless we are trading others, not yet made public, I’m not sure how we can trade anyone in without trading future picks. How do you propose we upgrade to Watson, pay for Croft and have the types of picks needed to trade for players?

So David King is talking crap and we are hamstrung again in the draft.

[G-Mo77]

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It's starting to become clear on our plan if what is being said is true (it took a while ). Trade up with GC and the rest of the picks eaten up on Croft bid. 2 picks is looking likely unless we move someone off the list out of left field which doesn't seem likely.

[bulldogtragic]

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So David King is talking crap and we are hamstrung again in the draft.

Not necessarily hamstrung, we may just need to use future picks to get our trading done. Unless some other players request trades (beyond Buku & Sweet) and we can use their picks. But at this point, Watson & Croft (maybe Lual if he gets passed 40) is our predominant draft hand with maybe a late pick. Which exhausts all our picks. So to trade, we need some more picks this year or next.

[azabob]

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I’m not sure how we are trading in players with next to no mid range picks at this point. Once we upgrade we will work our backside off getting points for Croft (including Sweet & Khamis for points). That will take most if not all picks.

So unless we are trading others, not yet made public, I’m not sure how we can trade anyone in without trading future picks. How do you propose we upgrade to Watson, pay for Croft and have the types of picks needed to trade for players?

I don't think the trade in strategy works. It needs to be an 80/20 split - 80% draft and 20% trade/free agency.

Take St.Kilda as an example a few years ago they traded in a bunch of players (D.Howard, Ryder, B.Hill, Z.Jones, Butler who got them the sugar hit and they played finals the year after but they haven't really progressed since.

Only in recent times have they start looking at younger players who are starting to pay dividends - Owens, Wanganeen-Millira, Phillipou, Camaneti.

[Grantysghost]

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It's starting to become clear on our plan if what is being said is true (it took a while ). Trade up with GC and the rest of the picks eaten up on Croft bid. 2 picks is looking likely unless we move someone off the list out of left field which doesn't seem likely.

That does kind of feel like the scenario and makes sense when you factor in where a Croft bid might come.

[Mofra]

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I don't think the trade in strategy works. It needs to be an 80/20 split - 80% draft and 20% trade/free agency.

Take St.Kilda as an example a few years ago they traded in a bunch of players (D.Howard, Ryder, B.Hill, Z.Jones, Butler who got them the sugar hit and they played finals the year after but they haven't really progressed since.

Only in recent times have they start looking at younger players who are starting to pay dividends - Owens, Wanganeen-Millira, Phillipou, Camaneti.

Most of the Saints' core are trade ins - don't forget Steele and Membrey as well.
It's too much. They've also fluffed quite a few high draft picks (put in Petracca, Naughton and Bont ahead of McCartin, Billings, Clark & Coffield)

[bulldogtragic]

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That does kind of feel like the scenario and makes sense when you factor in where a Croft bid might come.

I put up the math the other night, it?s exactly the scenario. What we also need to factor in is say 6 main list vacancies to take in enough picks with points. We can do the rookies after the ND, so right now it?s three vacancies (Bruce, Hannan & TOB). Sweet & Khamis takes us to 5. Say we trade in two players and a ruckman. Then we are back to two main list vacancies. Now we have to find four players to go from/all: McLean, Croz, Bedendo & Duryea

If we want to sign one of them, we could look at a ruck via SSP/DFA or state league. Or maybe dropping the Melbourne 4th if the points are slim to none. We could rebalance the list to give us another main list spot. Taking a spot from the rookie list. We will have four vacancies in the rookie list shortly, so that could be an option.

The six vacancies then hopefully look like Watson, Croft, Lual, late pick, rookie upgrade Scott & ? (I?m against doing it, but maybe upgrading McNeil/Roarke). I really don?t want to elevate McNeil and Roarke?s body is shot, but if if we can?t do 5 vacancies, and it?s 6. With Power saying 4 picks at most, that means potentially two rookie upgrades or holding open a space for a later DFA/SSP or similar. But with the amount of games gifted to McNeil this year, I suspect the club might look at him as the best player for the last spot. I?d disagree.

Get excited about maybe Watson & Croft because after that it?s slim pickings. Trades seem to be not huge names and involve probably future picks. In the case of Lohmann, Brisbane would want a future pick for Ashcroft II next year anyway I reckon.

[Mofra]

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Get excited about maybe Watson & Croft because after that it?s slim pickings. Trades seem to be not huge names and involve probably future picks. In the case of Lohmann, Brisbane would want a future pick for Ashcroft II next year anyway I reckon.

I think there is late talent available - outside of Twomey's mooted top 30 you get names like De La Rue, Lual, McAuliffe, Sanchez, Shoenmaker, Anastopolos (forgive spelling)

That's a fair spread across the ground.

[Bornadog]

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Yet to be signed:



Hayden Crozier: 2023
Lachlan McNeil: 2023 (Rookie)
Jordon Sweet: 2023
Roarke Smith: 2023 (Rookie)
Dominic Bedendo: 2023
Buku Khamis: 2023
Toby McLean: 2023
Taylor Duryea: 2023

Will be interesting to see what happens from here.

I would think Sweet, Buku and Toby waiting for offers, and Duryea looking for another year.

[GVGjr]

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Yet to be signed:



Hayden Crozier: 2023
Lachlan McNeil: 2023 (Rookie)
Jordon Sweet: 2023
Roarke Smith: 2023 (Rookie)
Dominic Bedendo: 2023
Buku Khamis: 2023
Toby McLean: 2023
Taylor Duryea: 2023

Will be interesting to see what happens from here.

I would think Sweet, Buku and Toby waiting for offers, and Duryea looking for another year.

Tend to think we will be in a bit of a holding pattern to access if offers do come in for any of the boys.

[Mofra]

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Tend to think we will be in a bit of a holding pattern to access if offers do come in for any of the boys.

Might be a bit of a 'wait until after trade period' for some guys too. I suspect Buks moves on for more opportunity, Hawks were rumoured to have a little bit of interest in McLean (FA?) and I suspect Crozier looks elsewhere too. Sweet probably attracts interest - WCE at least, and whoever out of Port/Swans/Geelong miss out on Grundy

[MrMahatma]

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Don't mind trading future 2nds and 3rds. Keep future 1sts though. Reckon you just need to be brining in at least 1 first round talent each season. This season we'll hopefully bring in 2.

[Happy Days]

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Coffield sucked before he got hurt. Please don’t bring him in we don’t deserve it.