2023 List Management Thread

[bulldogtragic]

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Let me throw this out to our list management gurus. Where are we with our list build? How quickly could we pivot if had to start a rebuild?

From this year.

But L. Jones, Lobb, Bruce, TOB, Libba, Macrae, Bont, Treloar make me think the powers that be think there’s a two year window as English, Dale, Richards, Cody, Naughton, Marra, Darcy & Smith are hitting their straps. Hoping kids like A. Jones, Buss, Cleary & Clarke come on soon.

While torn a bit, we need to see more of the season. It could be an aggressive refresh with an ok season. Or, with a poor season we clear the deck a bit and hit the draft, maybe let Williams go if the fA compo is ok. Trade some others. We are well placed to either rebuild or refresh imo.

[Bulldog Joe]

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From this year.

But L. Jones, Lobb, Bruce, TOB, Libba, Macrae, Bont, Treloar make me think the powers that be think there’s a two year window as English, Dale, Richards, Cody, Naughton, Marra, Darcy & Smith are hitting their straps. Hoping kids like A. Jones, Buss, Cleary & Clarke come on soon.

While torn a bit, we need to see more of the season. It could be an aggressive refresh with an ok season. Or, with a poor season we clear the deck a bit and hit the draft, maybe let Williams go if the fA compo is ok. Trade some others. We are well placed to either rebuild or refresh imo.

From the list and aging.
L Jones/ A Keath - replacement Busslinger and perhaps Croft in 2023 draft

Lobb - Darcy will be an improvement

Bruce - Has surprised this year when I considered he was just injury cover and now injured. Probably need injury cover swingman


T O'Brien/Duryea/Crozier - Small medium defender - Cleary is on the list and perhaps Khamis but need a lock down for the smalls

Libba -- Big Hole need a strong draftee this year

Macrae - I have been really concerned but Freo game was encouraging

Treloar - Going well but he will be declining - maximum over the next 2 to 3

Johannisen - also getting on so we do need another running defender/distributor. Could this be Gallagher?

I think Scott has been solid.

Then we have McComb and Hannan who should go regardless.

Bont is the other player and we just need to maximise our opportunities and hope he can keep going to mid thirties.

We also need an additional ruck/ruck forward to develop.

[GVGjr]

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Let me throw this out to our list management gurus. Where are we with our list build? How quickly could we pivot if had to start a rebuild?

If things were to fall off the rails we are probably in a decent place to make some quick adjustments providing there was a will to do so.
The list is imbalanced with far too many marginally talented players with limited upside that have been retained. That works well when you are genuinely contending because you have some depth available but it becomes harder to justify if you are not genuinely in the mix.

If we had to start a rebuild the great part for us would be that we have already made a significant investment in key position players in recent years and have another one on our radar this year in Jordan Croft. That is normally the slower part of any rebuild as the bigger boys need more time so given our advanced position it could be a quickish bounce back.
We also have an open list spot this year that we can use to take an in form 19yo or needs based player at the mid season draft and on top of that through our canny talent identification network we have been able to add a low risk cat B player in James O'Donnell.

As mentioned above we have a few players that I regard as not having a great upside coming out of contract which might make things easier if we need to kick start a rebuild but the downside is we don't have a strong enough draft hand to add a lot of players given our preference might be on another father son and NGA additions this that will quickly errode our draft hand.

In summary, I think we are well placed to react quickly but the jury is out if we would take on the more ruthless approach required to turn it around quickly.

The next 5 weeks will likely tell the story if we would even need to consider it.

[macca]

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If things were to fall off the rails we are probably in a decent place to make some quick adjustments providing there was a will to do so.
The list is imbalanced with far too many marginally talented players with limited upside that have been retained. That works well when you are genuinely contending because you have some depth available but it becomes harder to justify if you are not genuinely in the mix.
If we had to start a rebuild the great part for us would be that we have already made a significant investment in key position players in recent years and have another one in our radar this year in Jordan Croft. That is normally the slower part of any rebuild so it could be a quickish bounce back.
We also have an open list spot this year that we can use to take an in form 19yo or needs based player at the mid season draft and on top of that through our canny talent identification network we have been able to add a low risk cat B player in James O'Donnell.

We have a few players that I regard as not having a great upside coming out of contract which might make things easier if we need to kick start a rebuild but the downside is we don't have a strong enough draft hand to add a lot of players given our preference might be on another father son and NGA additions that will quickly eat into our draft hand.

In summary, I think we are well placed to react quickly but I'm not confident that we would take on a more ruthless approach to turn it around quickly.

Talented KPD players are hard to find and we are fortunate that we have a few already drafted in : JUH, Darcy, English ( should be hitting his prime in next few years), Naughton, Gallagher and Croft via f/s . Great point @GVG

Its the midfield we need to mine to find talented players.

[GVGjr]

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From the list and aging.
L Jones/ A Keath - replacement Busslinger and perhaps Croft in 2023 draft

Lobb - Darcy will be an improvement

Bruce - Has surprised this year when I considered he was just injury cover and now injured. Probably need injury cover swingman


T O'Brien/Duryea/Crozier - Small medium defender - Cleary is on the list and perhaps Khamis but need a lock down for the smalls

Libba -- Big Hole need a strong draftee this year

Macrae - I have been really concerned but Freo game was encouraging

Treloar - Going well but he will be declining - maximum over the next 2 to 3

Johannisen - also getting on so we do need another running defender/distributor. Could this be Gallagher?

I think Scott has been solid.

Then we have McComb and Hannan who should go regardless.

Bont is the other player and we just need to maximise our opportunities and hope he can keep going to mid thirties.

We also need an additional ruck/ruck forward to develop.

Nice summary Joe, Garcia is certainly the player we have earmarked as the Liberatore replacement and I suspect Gallagher is player most likely to replace Duryea or JJ. We really need someone else coming through.

[bulldogtragic]

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Nice summary Joe, Garcia is certainly the player we have earmarked as the Liberatore replacement and I suspect Gallagher is player most likely to replace Duryea or JJ. We really need someone else coming through.

I’m not a fan of VDM. But he was a HBF as a junior. With some more time for his disposal, could he go back? I don’t want him near the forward line in any event.

[Bornadog]

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I would like to use our two first round draft picks this year for two players in the top 20, plus if we can get Croft without costing too many points, we will have a good basis for the future.

[GVGjr]

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Talented KPD players are hard to find and we are fortunate that we have a few already drafted in : JUH, Darcy, English ( should be hitting his prime in next few years), Naughton, Gallagher and Croft via f/s . Great point @GVG

Its the midfield we need to mine to find talented players.

I agree it should be a midfield player focus going forward for us but we have some gaps everywhere including genuine mid sized forwards who take take a turn in the midfield and another winger would be a nice fit for us.
Ideally we would get someone from FA as well to help us on our way

[FrediKanoute]

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Nothing much to add other than midefielders should be the priority. Felt we missed a trick drafting Clark instead of a genuine mid. Hope to be proven wrong.

[Jasper]

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Nothing much to add other than midefielders should be the priority. Felt we missed a trick drafting Clark instead of a genuine mid. Hope to be proven wrong.

I havent check but was there any particular player that you wanted?

[Bornadog]

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Nothing much to add other than midefielders should be the priority. Felt we missed a trick drafting Clark instead of a genuine mid. Hope to be proven wrong.

We draft for best available.

[Dry Rot]

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Nothing much to add other than midefielders should be the priority. Felt we missed a trick drafting Clark instead of a genuine mid. Hope to be proven wrong.

How is Clark coming along?

[hujsh]

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How is Clark coming along?

Seems a ways back but so did Weightman his first year and a half

[lemmon]

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Seems like it's the first draft in a while that has a dearth of midfield talent at the top end. Lots of key position players and hybrid forwards, but not many genuine mids in the top 10. It'll be interesting to see how we shuffle our deck come draft and trade time to mitigate that a little.

[Mantis]

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We draft for best available.

Do you know for a fact that every pick is ''best available'' or we pick for needs as well?

To me Clark was a needs pick who we still rated highly.