2023 List Management Thread

[bulldogtragic]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Cut Croz, move Bedendo to the rookie list.


I wouldn't jump to hire anyone as a DFA yet, I'd have them train with the club and post-draft see about signing someone. Keep an open space so that we have an option for the MSD and try and do the big sell for some players who missed out on the draft or a still young enough to have scope for improvement and try and strengthen Footscray.

So cut both from the main list.

With four rookie list spots open, assuming one held over for a MSD pick. Perhaps one left open for an SSP. How desperate do you want Bedendo? Pick 10 in the rookie draft or best available and then use pick 28 on him in the rookie draft?

With cutting both we have seven spots. Say we use four picks plus Scott elevated after the draft. That’s two main list vacancies to fill. How do we want to fill them?

A. Roarke or McNeil, plus re-draft a delisted player of ours
B. Roarke or McNeil, plus draft late or select post draft a DFA (say a ruck)
C. Roarke & McNeil, DFA’s or our delistees to the rookie draft/SSP
D. Re-draft a delisted player of ours & a DFA - and move on Roarke & McNeil

(Roarke & McNeil have completed their maximum term on the rookie list and must be delisted or promoted)

[GVGjr]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Cut Croz, move Bedendo to the rookie list.

This makes a bit of sense to me but unless we are prepared to be ruthless I doubt we will move Croz on.

The more likely scenario is that we move on Bedendo even though he was performing very well in the early part of the preseason before injuries halted his progress. Given his age we might be prepared to give him another season on the rookie list as you suggest but we might also consider he is more of a marking forward and we are loaded for them.
Given he hasn't been cut yet your theory might hold true.

We probably should drop both and take more of a chance with later selections at the draft.

I wouldn't jump to hire anyone as a DFA yet, I'd have them train with the club and post-draft see about signing someone. Keep an open space so that we have an option for the MSD and try and do the big sell for some players who missed out on the draft or a still young enough to have scope for improvement and try and strengthen Footscray.

I can see some sense in going early on a DFA because it could be a competitive market.
After the draft though given there is likely to only be 55 players taken getting a couple of them to train with us with the view of adding one of them over summer and perhaps one at the MSD after a stint at Footscray could be an option.

[GVGjr]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

So cut both from the main list.

With four rookie list spots open, assuming one held over for a MSD pick. Perhaps one left open for an SSP. How desperate do you want Bedendo? Pick 10 in the rookie draft or best available and then use pick 28 on him in the rookie draft?

With cutting both we have seven spots. Say we use four picks plus Scott elevated after the draft. That’s two main list vacancies to fill. How do we want to fill them?

A. Roarke or McNeil, plus re-draft a delisted player of ours
B. Roarke or McNeil, plus draft late or select post draft a DFA (say a ruck)
C. Roarke & McNeil, DFA’s or our delistees to the rookie draft/SSP
D. Re-draft a delisted player of ours & a DFA - and move on Roarke & McNeil

(Roarke & McNeil have completed their maximum term on the rookie list and must be delisted or promoted)

I don't think Roarke Smith should be retained on the list because of his injuries and because he really doesn't have a clearly defined role for us. After 9 years and just 47 games we should make the hard call.
McNeil probably should be promoted but on a one year deal. He's proven himself to be a handy spare parts type player and he's a decent option as a sub.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

I don't think Roarke Smith should be retained on the list because of his injuries and because he really doesn't have a clearly defined role for us. After 9 years and just 47 games we should make the hard call.
McNeil probably should be promoted but on a one year deal. He's proven himself to be a handy spare parts type player and he's a decent option as a sub.

Agree on Roarke. Which was McNeil’s best game this year? How many good games would you say he played this year?

[GVGjr]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Agree on Roarke. Which was McNeil’s best game this year? How many good games would you say he played this year?

He started as a sub in 8 of his 13 games and I wouldn't rate any of them as impressive. Perhaps a game against the Hawks early in the year was his best but it was a very modest effort. That said, I think he's on about a par with Arty Jones and we do know McNeil is a good tackler. I'm not that fussed in keeping him but we must consider that he is close to the mark.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

He started as a sub in 8 of his 13 games and I wouldn't rate any of them as impressive. Perhaps a game against the Hawks early in the year was his best but it was a very modest effort. That said, I think he's on about a par with Arty Jones and we do know McNeil is a good tackler. I'm not that fussed in keeping him but we must consider that he is close to the mark.

I think the club will keep him. But I really wish the wouldn’t. I don’t see an AFEL footballer there at all. I think West’s finish to the year showed exactly how little we got from McNeil, and I’d rather blow games on Arty, West, Watson, Garcia, Clarke or almost anyone other than VDM. But I think the club will give him a year under the argument if he’s better than some unknown gif the last spot in the list. Which I disagree with.

[Testekill]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

We need to make the call on Roarke, his body has broken down on him and recurring foot injuries don't go away. He's a committed foot soldier but he'd come back from injury this season and last a half before his injury flared up again.

McNeil has kinda regressed as a player since 2021 so I just don't see it worth going on with another year, he is a good tackler but doesn't have any potentially elite attributes.

Crozier is cooked; his body can't keep up with the pace required for AFL football, he could have maybe made a decent pickup for a North or Suns but we can't keep him especially when he really should be the very last in line and Cleary should be picked ahead of him.

Bedendo has some great qualities but his body is the worry, I'd prefer to move him to the rookie list but I wouldn't be too worried if we cut him.

[GVGjr]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

I think the club will keep him. But I really wish the wouldn’t. I don’t see an AFEL footballer there at all. I think West’s finish to the year showed exactly how little we got from McNeil, and I’d rather blow games on Arty, West, Watson, Garcia, Clarke or almost anyone other than VDM. But I think the club will give him a year under the argument if he’s better than some unknown gif the last spot in the list. Which I disagree with.

I've seen a lot of phantom drafts this year and some of the names not mentioned in the top 40 are very good players with some AFL traits. Our recent history indicates we've been reluctant to select players from later in the draft so I don't hold high hopes but perhaps we have one or two players identified we would be prepared to select.

[G-Mo77]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Just sign Tom Campbell.

[GVGjr]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

We've still got some work to do to be better balance the list. I hope I have this right.

Defenders (13)
Tall - Busslinger, O'Donnell (B), L.Jones, Keath and Gardner
Mid/Small - Crozier, Gallagher, Duryea, Richards, Vandermeer, Dale, Cleary, Johannisen and Coffield*

Midfielders (14)
Treloar, Bontempelli, B.Smith, Macrae, Baker, Liberatore, Poulter (R), Bedendo, Scott (R), Williams, Daniel, R.Smith (R), English and Harmes*

Forwards (11)
Tall - Ugle-Hagan, Lobb, Darcy and Naughton
Mid/Small - Weightman, Clarke, West, Khamis (B), McNeil (R), A.Jones and Garcia

Delisted/Traded/Retired (7)
McLean, Bruce, O'Brien, McComb (R), Hannan, Raak (B) and Sweet (R)

Out of Contract
Bedendo, Crozier, Duryea*, McNeil and R.Smith
*Conflicting reports on Duryea

Added information: According to Code Sports Western Bulldogs – Dominic Bedendo, Hayden Crozier, Roarke Smith are all in limbo indicating that Duryea and McNeil are signed.

[azabob]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Great summary GVGjr.

Might be worth adding who is currently out of contract (OOC). One slight correction you have the wrong Smith as a rookie.

Interesting how many mid sized defenders we have. Do we see this the key to our success or our greatest weakness?

[azabob]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

With the signing of Coffield I would have thought that spells the end of Crozier.

Unfortunately it’s time for the hard call to be made on Roarke Smith.

It is a toss of the coin to keep either McNeil or Bedendo. Not sure we should keep either. If it has to be one we should keep McNeil purely as he has shown more at afl level.

[GVGjr]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Great summary GVGjr.

Might be worth adding who is currently out of contract (OOC). One slight correction you have the wrong Smith as a rookie.

Interesting how many mid sized defenders we have. Do we see this the key to our success or our greatest weakness?

Thanks, I have fixed the Rookie listing error and added the out of contract details.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Interested in where you see the balance is off G?

I suspect it’s the midfield where we don’t have a strong young core coming through, and in the ruck position, however for mine we have a “win now” midfield and forward line, require a bit of luck with our key defenders and have some potential upside with a few players that have been in the 22 but should be pushing for more, along with a few more seasoned players coming off a down year.

[Bornadog]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Our biggest issue in 2023 was the forward line. They need to take every opportunity and kick goals. Also the ball move too quickly out of the F50 and all the way down the ground. You can’t blame the backs. They did well under the circumstances ie losing many key players throughout the year