2023 List Management Thread

[GVGjr]

Re: 2023 List Management Thread

Interested in where you see the balance is off G?

I suspect it’s the midfield where we don’t have a strong young core coming through, and in the ruck position, however for mine we have a “win now” midfield and forward line, require a bit of luck with our key defenders and have some potential upside with a few players that have been in the 22 but should be pushing for more, along with a few more seasoned players coming off a down year.

A little bit everywhere.

Backs:
In the back line we have two ageing key defenders and Keath in particular showed some signs that he was slowing leaving us with Liam Jones and Gardner being supported by the inexperienced but impressive O'Donnell and the unproven Busslinger
We could be exposed with our small defenders with Duryea slowing, Vandermeer injury prone and Gallagher unproven.

Mids:
I think we are okay there providing we can get some more out of Macrae and B.Smith and Williams has a solid season. We need another ruckman and I think Harmes will add a bit for us. Ideally we look at a FA to add some genuine depth there.

Forwards:
We look solid for key forwards but we don't have any mid sized forwards outside of Khamis and maybe Bedendo could be used in that role and we will need two out of Clarke, Garcia, A. Jones and McNeil to help back up West as smaller forwards.

We probably need to delist another 3 players to the ones that have departed us so far.

[GVGjr]

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One for BT or others, if the list I have detailed with the departures is correct and assuming we add a couple of FA either over the summer or by the mid season draft, how many out of Crozier, Bedendo and R.Smith do we need to delist?

Could we also move a player or two too the rookie list and have enough spots open to match all the picks/points we need to cover Croft and maybe Lual?

[bulldogtragic]

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One for BT or others, if the list I have detailed with the departures is correct and assuming we add a couple of FA either over the summer or by the mid season draft, how many out of Crozier, Bedendo and R.Smith do we need to delist?

Could we also move a player or two too the rookie list and have enough spots open to match all the picks/points we need to cover Croft and maybe Lual?

Complicated answer.

Roarke is a rookie who must be delisted or promoted now (same for McNeil). So he doesn’t count.

We can’t move main listed players to rookies, we need to delist them and assume/hope they are available at our pick. But we could definitely do that, I think there’s a chance we might re-draft someone at the ND to fill a spot.

If it was me (easier to give a scenario to answer):

Delist Bedendo & Croz - 7 picks available with points
Delist Roarke & McNeil - 4 spots available

Main: Use four picks, upgrade Scott, re-draft Bedendo to a one year deal, a DFA (but the club probably promoted McNeil here unfortunately)
Rookie: two live picks, an SSP players, a spot left open for the MSD


The more complicated answer is we have 6 rookie spots. We could rebalance that to just four or five spots and open up one or two extra main list spots. That could mean we don’t need to delist anyone else. But as far as I understand the rookie list rules, the base wage isn’t included in the cap. So deleting spots would impact our salary cap - so I’m not a fan.

So we don’t need to cut further technically, but realistically we absolutely should delist one more for the picks. That’s Dom or Croz if Duryea has signed.

[SquirrelGrip]

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Added to this, an extra ruckman on the rookie list would be seem to make sense.

[Mofra]

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Our biggest issue in 2023 was the forward line. They need to take every opportunity and kick goals. Also the ball move too quickly out of the F50 and all the way down the ground. You can?t blame the backs. They did well under the circumstances ie losing many key players throughout the year

We were 16th in the competition for transitioning the ball from d50 to f50, and that's with Richards and Dale in the side.
Our defence is a massive issue.

[hujsh]

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We were 16th in the competition for transitioning the ball from d50 to f50, and that's with Richards and Dale in the side.
Our defence is a massive issue.

And it's seemingly on purpose to protect our defence

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Roarke and Croz's time has come

They've both given us everything they could have - but we need to see who else we might be able to bring in who can grow into roles

We need to make a call on whether we think Bedendo can and is growing into an AFL player or not

[GVGjr]

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Roarke and Croz's time has come

They've both given us everything they could have - but we need to see who else we might be able to bring in who can grow into roles

We need to make a call on whether we think Bedendo can and is growing into an AFL player or not

I tend to agree and just hope we have it in us to make the hard calls. I can understand the temptation of keeping Bedendo on because we haven't seen the best of him yet and if there is an opportunity to delist and move him to the rookie list that might be the best scenario.

[GVGjr]

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I'm warming to the fact that we might actually draft 4 players on draft night and the hopefully a couple more as rookies. We should also bring in a delisted FA or two. I know last season we kept a spot open which allowed us to bring in Poulter and that worked out quite well but with a new coaching team that focuses a lot on player development I think we should try our best to use all spots as soon as we can. The safer bet might be to keep a position open is it does provide options but getting the balance right is an important part of list management.

We need a mix of players and we seem well positioned to deliver on that.

For our 1st pick which is likely to be at pick 6 we have Zane Duursma, Colby McKercher, Nick Watson and Ryley Sanders right in the mix and perhaps Daniel Curtin could be in the mix as well. That means one of the classy forwards or best mids or the most versatile tall who could play in a key position or off a flank will be heading our way.

Our 2nd pick will of course be Jordan Croft who's another key position player to our emerging list of talls.

The 3rd and 4th picks have a wide range of players we could target and Luamon Lual who we've had at the club as part of NGA program is a likely target for us if he slides past pick 40 and he does actually fill a needs of a small defender, Other small defenders that could appeal are the athletic Nathan Philactides and perhaps a long shot is Kobe Shipp.
Versatile players like Joel Freijah, Aiden O'Driscoll and Angus Hastie could be available for our later picks.

We should look at bringing in a midfielder and a ruckman via DFA option and some of the players being mentioned here on WOOF are Brynn Teakle and Lachlan Bramble. It obviously doesn't need to be these two but players that fill a versatile mid and ruckman type positions should be the priority.


I'd be interested to hear the sort of players we should be targeting? Is it mids, small forwards or defenders or a ruckman?

[Bornadog]

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We will need a backup ruckman who is prepared to be a backup if English goes down. I would rookie a ruckman for the future, as well as get a mature aged ruckman for the backup role.

We are also still light on for outside speed and also a replacement for Duryea.

[Jasper]

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I really enjoy the thoughts of so many WOOF members on our list management. A big thanks to everyone.

[bulldogtragic]

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Whilst conventional thinking is we should 100% bring in a ruck, I’m not convinced the club thinks this way.

I think it’s talent based for grabbing players. I don’t want a list clogger who won’t get games but theoretically fits a need. I’m not sure we need a mid. If we could find a small defender that’s be great. I’d consider a KPD if Gardner treads water and Keath falls away again. Our strategy shouldn’t be all our chips on two second years KPDs (JOD, Buss). Croft sounds like he’s going to defence, but we shouldn’t expect much for a while. So some cover would be good with our best KPD 45 years old or something.

With four rookie list spots to be open most likely, do we want two live picks and an SSP/DFA. Or one live pick and two SSP/DFA?

[Axe Man]

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We will need a backup ruckman who is prepared to be a backup if English goes down. I would rookie a ruckman for the future, as well as get a mature aged ruckman for the backup role.

Whilst conventional thinking is we should 100% bring in a ruck, I’m not convinced the club thinks this way.

Agree BT, no way we will take 2 more rucks, it will be 0 or 1.

[azabob]

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The ruck spot is an interesting beast.

English has been our number one ruck for most of his career, except for the Stef Martin cameo.

We have literally put all our eggs in his basket. This strategy could backfire if our chooks could come home to roost at the end of 2024 if English decides to play elsewhere.

How about another barn yard analogy? What comes first - waiting for English to decides where he plays in 2025 or do we invest in a genuine state league ruckman who could lead our ruck division in 2025?

At least when Collingwood moved on Grundy they knew what they had underneath with Cameron and Cox. Unfortunately we do not have that luxury.

Having come to the end of my ramble I don't think we have a choice but to draft a mature ruckman this off season, who has the potential to be a number one ruck

[GVGjr]

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Whilst conventional thinking is we should 100% bring in a ruck, I’m not convinced the club thinks this way.

I think it’s talent based for grabbing players. I don’t want a list clogger who won’t get games but theoretically fits a need. I’m not sure we need a mid. If we could find a small defender that’s be great. I’d consider a KPD if Gardner treads water and Keath falls away again. Our strategy shouldn’t be all our chips on two second years KPDs (JOD, Buss). Croft sounds like he’s going to defence, but we shouldn’t expect much for a while. So some cover would be good with our best KPD 45 years old or something.

With four rookie list spots to be open most likely, do we want two live picks and an SSP/DFA. Or one live pick and two SSP/DFA?

Me either but I don't like the option of an extended run of Lobb in the ruck or using Darcy in that role for much more than some brief spells. It's a position that cops more than it's share of injuries and a specialized role to boot. If we are serious about being a top 6 type contender we need to cover it. The fact we were offering Sweet another deal should mean we should want to find someone.