2012 Trade rumours and discussion

[Cyberdoggie]

Re: 2012 Trade rumours and discussion

I watched Griffen doing a lot of 'heavy lifting' this year and it broke my heart.

He was just getting pounded and smashed because no one cared if any of our other midfielders had the ball. Griffen's endeavour and heart have never been questioned but he's a blue chip thoroughbred who should be free to run and inspire.

Please don't send him in to the coal pits.

I'm sure i've watched this movie before. I can't remember if it's Seabiscuit, War horse, animal farm or all of the above.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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Sherman could potentially offer us something in 2013 but in a year where we are struggling like 2012 why play an experienced player if he isn't doing the non negotiables. Clearly macca and the coaches would have addressed it with him

I don't think they want to turn him into an inside player but he has to be able to win a contest and work hard without the footy

Eassendon have taken a similar tough love approach with Reimers

I wouldn't hold my breath on Sherman. Failed to impress in 2011/12 when we were screaming out for a forward of his experience to show something. Regularly failed to deliver.

[1eyedog]

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It's a hard one - Gumby has nowhere near the runs on the board, and Dawes has shown a capacity to play through injury.
Having said that a fit Gumby is a super talent, we just haven't seen it yet.

Exactly, I actually hope we get him.

[AndrewP6]

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The best players do a lot more than Griff. He's got to go another level to get there. Why is it a problem to ask for more?
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I just think it undervalues the truckload he's carried in recent times, what with a group of newbies in the side, Coons largely MIA, and the general crapness of the team. He's carried a huge burden. The best players generally have either similarly silky players with them ( Coons should be this player but for his knackered knee), or a merry band of foot soldiers to do some of the grunt work.

[jeemak]

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I just think it undervalues the truckload he's carried in recent times, what with a group of newbies in the side, Coons largely MIA, and the general crapness of the team. He's carried a huge burden. The best players generally have either similarly silky players with them ( Coons should be this player but for his knackered knee), or a merry band of foot soldiers to do some of the grunt work.

Or guns in ordinary sides get hidden behind the ball.

Griffen is my favourite player. But it's clear to me he needs to be more consistent, and he needs to get stronger and fitter to enable his disposal by foot to stand up to the physical and mental pressure he's placed under in games.

With respect to the 'heavy lifting' comment from BMac, without context I didn't feel it meant that Griffen and Higgins needed to do more contested and grunt work. Rather, I read it that they, from the coach's perspective, need to be as consistent and influential as players like Boyd and Cross have been over the course of their careers, as the latter are winding down their careers.

As I wasn't there, I'll happily be corrected. But the output of Higgins and Griffen has been inconsistent even in their respective best years. Whether it be by getting more contested ball, or having more influence on the game by maintaining the style they're currently known for they need to step up and take charge of our team.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Well for a player with talent, he went backwards this year, so something is wrong.

Yes, agreed,

There will be differences between each coach and the productivity they are able to extract from each player.

Rightly or wrongly, I just cant help but feel if had been under Rockets era them the player would get the game, and under Maccas era Macca gets the blame

[KT31]

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Yes, agreed,

There will be differences between each coach and the productivity they are able to extract from each player.

Rightly or wrongly, I just cant help but feel if had been under Rockets era them the player would get the game, and under Maccas era Macca gets the blame

Been reading Dr. Seuss again.

[Sedat]

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He has asked every player to do this and is something I don't get. I have mentioned in other threads, I think this is what killed Sherman this year.

Being garbage for 7 of 8 years at the top flight has killed Sherman. To blame BMac for Sherman's wretched season would be akin to blaming Wallace for not being able to turn Sedat Sir into Glen Jakovich.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Been reading Dr. Seuss again.

Actually, yes, but that sentence still doesn't say what I thought it did

[G-Mo77]

Re: 2012 Trade rumours and discussion

"Josh Toy has reportedly toured the Western Bulldogs facilities this weekend, and met with coaches and staff."

This is the rumors thread.

[Remi Moses]

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Being garbage for 7 of 8 years at the top flight has killed Sherman. To blame BMac for Sherman's wretched season would be akin to blaming Wallace for not being able to turn Sedat Sir into Glen Jakovich.

Nice, got a chuckle.

[azabob]

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"Josh Toy has reportedly toured the Western Bulldogs facilities this weekend, and met with coaches and staff."

This is the rumors thread.

Wasn't this reported a few weeks back?

[G-Mo77]

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Wasn't this reported a few weeks back?

The rumor was this weekend.

[LostDoggy]

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"Josh Toy has reportedly toured the Western Bulldogs facilities this weekend, and met with coaches and staff."

This is the rumors thread.

I hope that is because he has applied for a Trainer's job.

[1eyedog]

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Or guns in ordinary sides get hidden behind the ball.

Griffen is my favourite player. But it's clear to me he needs to be more consistent, and he needs to get stronger and fitter to enable his disposal by foot to stand up to the physical and mental pressure he's placed under in games.

With respect to the 'heavy lifting' comment from BMac, without context I didn't feel it meant that Griffen and Higgins needed to do more contested and grunt work. Rather, I read it that they, from the coach's perspective, need to be as consistent and influential as players like Boyd and Cross have been over the course of their careers, as the latter are winding down their careers.

As I wasn't there, I'll happily be corrected. But the output of Higgins and Griffen has been inconsistent even in their respective best years. Whether it be by getting more contested ball, or having more influence on the game by maintaining the style they're currently known for they need to step up and take charge of our team.

Griffen's problem by foot has nothing to do with fitness or pressure, he will have the same action for goal 2 minutes into the first quarter as he will on the run 30 minutes into the last. He has a natural right turn of the body and he almost kicks around the ball and because of this his head can never be over the ball and he is hit/miss with accuracy.

I'll agree with you re. Higgins, but not about Griffen, he has been our best player for two years now and is more effective and critical for/to our team than Boyd.