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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 44720

    2017 Tour of India

    I'd suggest there will be a 15 man squad for the tour of India.

    I know it's early days but I suspect the squad will have 7 batsman, 1 wicket keeper, 3 spin bowlers and 4 paceman.
    There may be an all rounder or 2 as well.

    The locks for me are:
    Warner and Renshaw at the top of the order
    Khawaja, Smith and Handscomb at batting positions 3 to 5
    Starc, Hazlewood and Bird for the pace bowlers spots
    Lyon as the main spin bowler

    To me that's 9 players locked.

    3 players are close to sure things:
    Wade will probably get the keepers spot but I would take Nevill
    I think they will pick O'Keefe because he can keep it tight but I would put Agar ahead of him.
    Shaun Marsh would almost be a lock as he can bat in a number of positions and is good against spin.

    So that is 12 players almost certain to be selected.

    The combination of the last 3 spots is harder to pick
    I think there is a need for 2 more bowlers with one as a paceman and one as a spin bowler and of course one more batsman. Of course we could look to a few players regarded all rounders because with the likely oppressive heat a 5th bowler could be handy.

    Players in contention include, Travis Head with his handy offies although he is primarily a batsman, Mitch Marsh who is a great 5th bowler but an uncertain 6th batsman. Hilton Cartwright looks to be a decent batsman and just a handy bowler but there must be a question mark if he ready for a tough tour on difficult conditions. Ashton Agar is a bowling all rounder and talk of him batting at 7 to me is premature but he would give us a lot of batting depth if he was in at number 8. Glenn Maxwell should at least be in the discussion as the number 6 batsman and potential 3rd spinner

    Genuine bowlers to consider include Mitchell Swepson who is an emerging leg spinner. Fawed Ahmed probably has the right temperament even if the Indian batsman went after him. Chadd Sayers with medium pacers and his accuracy could considered as the 4th paceman spot as could Pat Cummins if he was used sparingly. Tremain might be in the mix as well.
    Batsman consist of Maddinson, Patterson and perhaps a bolter could be Ashton Turner who has been in good form with the bat in first class games this summer and is a decent off spinner.

    Have I missed anyone?
    Would you like to throw up a 15 or even a 16 man squad for discussion?
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  • Greystache
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Dec 2009
    • 9775

    #2
    Re: 2017 Tour of India

    Renshaw is in doubt to make the tour squad. Lehman has alluded to Sean Marsh being for means Renshaw might be left out.

    You can't make this stuff up!
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    • bulldogtragic
      The List Manager
      • Jan 2007
      • 34289

      #3
      Re: 2017 Tour of India

      Originally posted by Greystache
      Renshaw is in doubt to make the tour squad. Lehman has alluded to Sean Marsh being for means Renshaw might be left out.

      You can't make this 'stuff-up!'
      I think that's about right. Why keep a winning formula and reward a kid getting 184. For Cartright I get it, but Renshaw getting dropped would be disrespectfully dumb and undermine the change process.
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      • hujsh
        Hall of Fame
        • Nov 2007
        • 11849

        #4
        Re: 2017 Tour of India

        "It's a case of what's the best line-up to win in India and compete. At the moment you would say he would play but we have to sum up what the conditions are like, what the pitches will be like, how we'll play, how we'll play everyone in the XI to give us a chance to take 20 wickets," Lehmann said after Australia sealed a 3-0 clean sweep.

        "Whatever the side will be will be but we won't know until we get there."

        Renshaw and Marsh will have an intra-squad game in Dubai and a tour match in Mumbai to stake their claims for the opener's berth alongside David Warner.

        "If someone's in form and playing really well that's the best time to succeed in India. We'll look at all those scenarios when we get there," Lehmann said.
        For context of the statements
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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34289

          #5
          Re: 2017 Tour of India

          I really want the best 15 players who excel at doing their homework. We can't have another India tour debacle if we select players who can't or won't do their homework.

          Specifically, I was and am generally unimpressed with SoK's bowling. I'd prefer to take a younger spinner as the experience if only in tour games will be a great investment in the future, perhaps Agar. The quicks pick themselves. Marsh comes in for batting depth. The big call is Wade or Nevill and I'm inclined to go with Wade.

          Warner
          Renshaw
          Khawaja
          Smith
          Handscomb
          S. Marsh
          Wade
          Starc
          Agar
          Hazlewood
          Lyon

          12: Bird

          13-15: Cartright (can bowl some overs too), Cummins (can bat a bit too), Maxwell/Head/Turner (a batter who can bowl spin a bit)
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          • Axe Man
            Hall of Fame
            • Nov 2008
            • 11205

            #6
            Re: 2017 Tour of India

            Surely there is no way Cummins can tour India? He hasn't played a shield game in years, can't expect him to all of a sudden be bowling +50 overs a match on a specially prepared Indian road in oppressive conditions! I'm not sure sending 4 overs down in the BBL is great preparation.

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            • bulldogtragic
              The List Manager
              • Jan 2007
              • 34289

              #7
              Re: 2017 Tour of India

              Originally posted by Axe Man
              Surely there is no way Cummins can tour India? He hasn't played a shield game in years, can't expect him to all of a sudden be bowling +50 overs a match on a specially prepared Indian road in oppressive conditions! I'm not sure sending 4 overs down in the BBL is great preparation.
              He's got potentially 5 ODIs shortly, and then there's 3 more ODIs in New Zealand before the international T20's finish the Aussie summer (talk about cramming in too much cricket, different thread). With the training workloads and game workloads, and potentially any domestic stuff then his fitness should be pretty good. Hopefully there's some warm up games over there that they can graduate him up. Bird is still the third quick in my eyes at the moment in any event.
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              • Topdog
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 7471

                #8
                Re: 2017 Tour of India

                How is Maxwell's name even being mentioned?

                Surely Renshaw to open and SMarsh at 6

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                • Sedat
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 11278

                  #9
                  Re: 2017 Tour of India

                  He's been injured and hasn't done anything to state his case, but someone like Sandhu would be the ideal player for an Indian tour. He can do the 3rd seam duties and has also added decent off-spin to his repertoire. Think a poor man's Colin Miller, who was worth his weight in gold in those conditions. Shame he's been injured because he'd be a good fit for a tough Indian tour.

                  There is very little point taking multiple fast bowling options - two fast bowlers at the most will be playing in each test. Starc will be effective on the sub-continent with his pace and swing (as he was in Sri Lanka) but I think Hazlewood will be blunted by the lack of bounce (much like McGrath was in India). Taking Cummins would be a mistake IMO. Bird will struggle to impact in those conditions and I don't expect to see him getting much of a run.

                  With regard to spinners, again India is a unique place - conventional off spin that relies on true bounce (ie: Lyon) is generally ineffective. The bowlers with variety in their repertoire (ie: Ashwin) or the bowlers who can get subtle pitch variation from virtually the same delivery (ie: Kumble, Jadeja, Herath) are the most dangerous on Indian pitches. O'Keefe might fall into the latter category as he is more of a skidder than Lyon. A 3rd spinner should definitely be chosen but I don't know who that should be. Steve Smith should also do more bowling than he is accustomed to.
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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    #10
                    Re: 2017 Tour of India

                    Originally posted by Topdog
                    How is Maxwell's name even being mentioned?

                    Surely Renshaw to open and SMarsh at 6
                    Given the nature of an Indian tour and the preferences of the selection panel, a 5th bowler (preferably spinner) batting at 6 would have to be at least included as an option within the squad and Maxwell fits the bill as well as any of the current options. A 4 bowler team all series in India is a tough ask. I'd take Maxwell as a tour member even if he is not in the first Test eleven.

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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 44720

                      #11
                      Re: 2017 Tour of India

                      Ricky Ponting selected a 16 man squad for the tour of India.

                      Punter’s Test squad: David Warner, Matt Renshaw, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith, Peter Handscomb, Mitchell Marsh, Matt Wade, Mitchell Starc, Steve O’Keefe, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, Jackson Bird, Glenn Maxwell, Travis Head, Ashton Agar.
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                      • GVGjr
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 44720

                        #12
                        Re: 2017 Tour of India

                        Trevor Hohns has just announced the team to tour India. 4 spin bowlers including Mitchell Swepson with Shaun Marsh, Mitch Marsh and Glenn Maxwell replacing Hilton Cartwright from the last test against Pakistan.

                        Squad: Steve Smith (c), David Warner (vc), Ashton Agar, Jackson Bird, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Marsh, Shaun Marsh, Glenn Maxwell, Stephen O’Keefe, Matthew Renshaw, Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, Matthew Wade

                        I'm glad they kept Renshaw in the squad but I just feel that Shaun Marsh will replace him at the top of the order.
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                        • Happy Days
                          Hall of Fame
                          • May 2008
                          • 10157

                          #13
                          Re: 2017 Tour of India

                          Can't believe they're sticking with Wade; totally failed with the bat this summer and was a disaster with the gloves last tour. I'm not buying into the thinking that he's a better bat than Nevill.
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                          • Twodogs
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 27658

                            #14
                            Re: 2017 Tour of India

                            Originally posted by Happy Days
                            Can't believe they're sticking with Wade; totally failed with the bat this summer and was a disaster with the gloves last tour. I'm not buying into the thinking that he's a better bat than Nevill.

                            He's not a better bat than Nevill. Nevill is a worse bat than Wade. And Nevill seems to have lost any competency he had with the gloves since he lost his test spot. But we need a proper wicket keeper, not a batsman who wears the gloves.
                            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                            • Sedat
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 11278

                              #15
                              Re: 2017 Tour of India

                              Is Swepson the latest Warne anointed future superstar spinner after Michael Beer and Muirhead?
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