Early Trade Rumours 2023

[Mofra]

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If pick 1 is to be involved, I suspect West Coast will ask for something back. I actually think the market for rucks is falling given what Collingwood have done post Grundy, and Port have a ruck division that is barely adequate.
If we can trade with them and (pick 1 aside) obtain a points surplus with any even up trade, we can present a win/win scenario. West Coast are holding 2 second rounders and 2 third rounders right now as it stands

[hujsh]

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If anything in the AFL recruitment field is to be believed, the rumoured offer to English is 8mill over 5 years from the Weagles..

We'd be stupid to even consider matching. And god knows I wouldn't take anything short of pick 1 for him.

Grundy anyone?

That's a 'best player in the league' type offer. English has some unique strengths but he does not consistently have that kind of impact on the game. When he does he can be very good but he is still prone to being nullified or beaten by mid-tier rucks (funnily I actually have more confidence in him against the likes of Gawn to hold his own but I think that's a quirk of the match up)

[bulldogtragic]

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In the Father-Son thread, you talk about pick/point swap with GCS, enabling us to get Pick 5 and enough points for Croft F/S.

Is there a world we could get Pick 1 (Harley Reid), Pick 5 (e.g. Riley Sanders), enough points for Croft, plus an experienced ruckman to support Sweet for a couple of years (e.g. Goldstein)? Grundy would be great in this scenario too but that may be asking too much.

With this happening, we'd been locking in an elite midfield for the next decade, almost what Port Adelaide did with Butters, Rozee and Duursma.

Yes.

We could use both Picks 1 & 5. Then take Croft a few minutes later. We?d need to use future picks to get some other needs trades across. I think we could be a good trade partner with Melbourne for Grundy with Hunter?s contract in the mix to smooth out a trade. I’ve suggested we?d need to really target a KPD in free agency though if not trade, Himmelberg would be the most Bevo type.

Pull it off (on your names too):

Out: English, 1st, 1st (Bris) and rest of our picks, future pick/s
In: Grundy, Himmelberg, Reid, Sanders, Croft, late picks, Scott upgraded (maybe a Liam Henry, Lohmann/Schultz)

[bulldogtragic]

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If pick 1 is to be involved, I suspect West Coast will ask for something back. I actually think the market for rucks is falling given what Collingwood have done post Grundy, and Port have a ruck division that is barely adequate.
If we can trade with them and (pick 1 aside) obtain a points surplus with any even up trade, we can present a win/win scenario. West Coast are holding 2 second rounders and 2 third rounders right now as it stands

(Second & Fourth Rounder) Pick 35 & 66 to them
(Third & Fourth Rounder ) Pick 39 & 57 to us

*before compo picks push everything back - any end of second round compo picks makes it better for WCE

As generous as I can be, while accumulating more points. If you want to (allegedly) throw that cash around and having market value on Jackson, then you have to back it up when Tim is contracted and we don’t want to lose this investment.

[hujsh]

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Yes.

We could use both Picks 1 & 5. Then take Croft a few minutes later. We?d need to use future picks to get some other needs trades across. I think we could be a good trade partner with Melbourne for Grundy with Hunter?s contract in the mix to smooth out a trade. I’ve suggested we?d need to really target a KPD in free agency though if not trade, Himmelberg would be the most Bevo type.

Pull it off (on your names too):

Out: English, 1st, 1st (Bris) and rest of our picks, future pick/s
In: Grundy, Himmelberg, Reid, Sanders, Croft, late picks, Scott upgraded (maybe a Liam Henry, Lohmann/Schultz)

Personally the most exciting part of that to me is the 3 early picks (2 very early). That's something that can set a list up for years of you get it right. Imagine if we messed up the picks we had in 2013/14.

[bulldogtragic]

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Personally the most exciting part of that to me is the 3 early picks (2 very early). That's something that can set a list up for years of you get it right. Imagine if we messed up the picks we had in 2013/14.

Yep. I don’t really want to lose Tim. But it’s not a nightmare outcome, almost the exact opposite. It’s an opportunity most clubs not at the bottom of the ladder would kill for. Just get Grundy is the game then I reckon.

[Vred]

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That's a 'best player in the league' type offer. English has some unique strengths but he does not consistently have that kind of impact on the game. When he does he can be very good but he is still prone to being nullified or beaten by mid-tier rucks (funnily I actually have more confidence in him against the likes of Gawn to hold his own but I think that's a quirk of the match up)

Weagles have the cap to pay him big and pay him early so at the tail end of his contract they'll have money for the rest of the list. They're going to struggle to hit the minimum salary cap next season if the amount of culling they're going to do is to be believed.

I have a feeling they're going to try and split 1 and then offer us something between pick 2 and 5 for English, and if that's the case, no deal.

[SquirrelGrip]

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Yes.

We could use both Picks 1 & 5. Then take Croft a few minutes later. We?d need to use future picks to get some other needs trades across. I think we could be a good trade partner with Melbourne for Grundy with Hunter?s contract in the mix to smooth out a trade. I’ve suggested we?d need to really target a KPD in free agency though if not trade, Himmelberg would be the most Bevo type.

Pull it off (on your names too):

Out: English, 1st, 1st (Bris) and rest of our picks, future pick/s
In: Grundy, Himmelberg, Reid, Sanders, Croft, late picks, Scott upgraded (maybe a Liam Henry, Lohmann/Schultz)

I do like Tim and would be disappointed to lose him.

However if this is the scenario, it's a big win and sets us up brilliantly. It's VERY exciting.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Weagles have the cap to pay him big and pay him early so at the tail end of his contract they'll have money for the rest of the list. They're going to struggle to hit the minimum salary cap next season if the amount of culling they're going to do is to be believed.

I have a feeling they're going to try and split 1 and then offer us something between pick 2 and 5 for English, and if that's the case, no deal.

Yeah it needs to be pick 1 or nothing. We want Ried. If they're offering that kind of money they need to back it up. However they will want a top 5 pick so I just can't see a deal involving pick 1 happen.

Tim is under contract so he stays unless pick 1 is involved.

[bulldogtragic]

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Yeah it needs to be pick 1 or nothing. We want Ried. If they're offering that kind of money they need to back it up. However they will want a top 5 pick so I just can't see a deal involving pick 1 happen.

Tim is under contract so he stays unless pick 1 is involved.

If Barass goes to Sydney they may get Pick 7. Sydney might do it as if North get first compo for McJay and if there’s a GCSA bid or two, it could be pick 10. So WCE could keep that natural Pick 7.

Or. We could do a DP trade and trade them Picks 12 & 16 for Pick 7.

(Leaving aside we’d want more than 1)

A. Pick 1 & Barass - for - English & Pick 7 (6 pick downgrade but upgrade Barass to English)
B. Pick 1 & Barass - for - English, 12 & 16 (upgrade into English and have two later firsts plus pick 19).
C. Same as B, but they package up picks for GCS Pick 5 if we don’t get it. Then they’re slid from 1 to 5 and upgraded English from Barass.

[1eyedog]

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But does he have hurt factor? 1 goal for the season.

Poulter has twice as many goals for the season, and he just was drafted mid season! While Baker has four. (Roarke kicked 5 in 10 games last year). Williams 10. Scott 11.

He has played off half back alot this year I wouldn't be looking at number of goals when weighing his value. i50s maybe.

[bulldogtragic]

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He has played off half back alot this year I wouldn't be looking at number of goals when weighing his value. i50s maybe.

Is that what role we want him for? HBF?

[Bulldog4life]

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If pick 1 is to be involved, I suspect West Coast will ask for something back. I actually think the market for rucks is falling given what Collingwood have done post Grundy, and Port have a ruck division that is barely adequate.
If we can trade with them and (pick 1 aside) obtain a points surplus with any even up trade, we can present a win/win scenario. West Coast are holding 2 second rounders and 2 third rounders right now as it stands

Darcy of Freo fame before he was injured had 57 hit outs one match. Freo still lost.

[Bulldog4life]

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Yep. I don’t really want to lose Tim. But it’s not a nightmare outcome, almost the exact opposite. It’s an opportunity most clubs not at the bottom of the ladder would kill for. Just get Grundy is the game then I reckon.

No no no. He is finished.

[bulldogtragic]

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No no no. He is finished.

Happy to listen. Who else out there is gettable as a seasoned #1 ruck to give our midfield the best chance to succeed? (Along with being a low cost trade)