Early Trade Rumours 2023

[GVGjr]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

If true it sends a strong message that English is staying as well

[jeemak]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

Sounds like what JL said about Lobb.

He came across pretty defensive didn't he......

[jeemak]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

If true it sends a strong message that English is staying as well

Hmmmmmm......not sure if serious.

[Grantysghost]

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There are 3 components to this and they are the player, financial position and draft currency.

- I think the WC interest in English is genuine. A local boy hitting his prime would be tempting for them and given they're losing one of the greats in Nic Nat it would be received by all in the West as a great move

- With a lot of their players likely to move on they would be in a great position to make a large financial offer and bring a good news story for their supporters and sponsors

- While they have the number one pick that is probably tradeable Tim English alone isn't going to get that deal done. They'll expect English and at least one but more likely our two first rounders coming to them. In the case of getting two first rounders we might get something coming back the other way.

While there has been some trades for early picks in recent years you normally have to pay overs to get them. The Horne-Francis one was huge and complicated and that was with North keen to move him out so they lost a bit of leverage.

I think we need to accept that trading English won't get us pick 1 without a lot more creativity involved.

English and a second rounder should get #1 Shirley!

[bulldogtragic]

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English and a second rounder should get #1 Shirley!

They can both our first rounders… I’m generous.

Pick 1 & 7 (Barass Pick) & 37 & 55

For 12 & 16 & 34 & 66 And English.

Dogs: Two Top 7 picks, 3rd & 4th rounders

WCE: Two First Rounders, 2nd & 4th rounders. English.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

They can both our first rounders… I’m generous.

Pick 1 & 7 (Barass Pick) & 37 & 55

For 12 & 16 & 34 & 66 And English.

Dogs: Two Top 7 picks, 3rd & 4th rounders

WCE: Two First Rounders, 2nd & 4th rounders. English.

Sold!

[GVGjr]

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English and a second rounder should get #1 Shirley!

WC split pick 2 last year and got picks 8 and 12 in return and will want something better than English a pick in the mid 30's.
I could be wrong but they'll ask for English and our 2 x 1st rounders and might offer the 2nd round pick they got off Port as sweetener.

I wouldn't be trading English unless he requests it and from their perspective they could probably be prepared to wait another year and nab him as a RFA.

Getting involved with the Swans who are apparently chasing Barass is worth exploring.

[Grantysghost]

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WC split pick 2 last year and got picks 8 and 12 in return and will want something better than English a pick in the mid 30's.
I could be wrong but they'll ask for English and our 2 x 1st rounders and might offer the 2nd round pick they got off Port as sweetener.

I wouldn't be trading English unless he requests it and from their perspective they could probably be prepared to wait another year and nab him as a RFA.

Getting involved with the Swans who are apparently chasing Barass is worth exploring.

AA ruckman at 25 has to be a top 3.

Thats at least 2200 index points.

Only need another 800 to get number 1.

That's pick 23 ish.

North will get 3 for Mckay compo so it's more than reasonable.

[The Doctor]

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Really quite bizarre.

Fingers crossed we release something similar on Grundy ...

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DOGS REACH OUT TO DEES ON GRUNDY ...

The Western Bulldogs have made contact with Melbourne Demons to assure the club is not pursuing VFL big man Brodie Grundy.

The Herald Sun understands a senior official at the Bulldogs reached out to a colleague at Demonland to ease any fears the Dees had about a rumoured approach from the Dogs.

There were reports the Dogs were actively discussing Grundy but the club has denied it is in the midst of making a play for the $900,000 ruckman.

Grundy, 29, is contracted at the Demons for another FIVE seasons and played a forgettable hand in Casey's comfortable win over the Coburg Lions at Piranha Park last weekend amid much debate about his best position.

Grundy, who looked forlorn at full forward, gathered 12 possessions and a goal along with some personal encouragement from Demons' forward coach Greg Stafford who took time away from his busy weekend dog walking schedule.

Barring an unlikely reprieve the No. 18 pick in the 2012 draft will play his 2nd consecutive VFL match against the Williamstown Seagulls at Casey Fields on Sunday afternoon.

Sounds like one of the work experience kids at the Herald Scum have been trolling bulldogs forums if you ask me. Probably the same kid who wrote the Bailey Smith/Geelong article.

[Bulldog Joe]

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WC split pick 2 last year and got picks 8 and 12 in return and will want something better than English a pick in the mid 30's.
I could be wrong but they'll ask for English and our 2 x 1st rounders and might offer the 2nd round pick they got off Port as sweetener.

I wouldn't be trading English unless he requests it and from their perspective they could probably be prepared to wait another year and nab him as a RFA.

Getting involved with the Swans who are apparently chasing Barass is worth exploring.

Why?

With all due respect I cannot see why anyone would decide that we are just a feeder club for others.

7 years of development and the concensus AA ruckman of 2023 is worth less than any single draft pick.

The draft pick, regardless of how highly rated the player you pick may be, he is actually statistically unlikely to EVER reach the level of the proven player entering his prime.

Who amongst us would straight swap Tim English for the equivalent of 1 of the following

2016 Ashley McGrath
2017 Cam Rayner
2018 Sam Walsh
2019 Matt Rowell.

They may all be good players to some degree but I would consider English more valuable than all of them.

I do understand there are salary and contract elements, but if the Eagles are that keen to get English they need to pay more than pick 1.

[The Doctor]

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if the Eagles are that keen to get English they need to pay more than pick 1.

Totally agree

They can "pony up"

[soupman]

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I wouldn't be trading English unless he requests it and from their perspective they could probably be prepared to wait another year and nab him as a RFA.

This is what has me most sceptical.

Why would they make their move now?

They certainly aren't trying to win now, next year is probably planned to be bottom 4 with "green shoots', so English doesn't fit with that.

And why would they trade this year when they can get him FOR FREE next year. The Bulldogs certainly can't match the offer if it's even within $300K pa of what is being rumoured.

Why give up either super high picks (pick 1 or top 5 at the least) or multiple good picks (first rounders) when the club clearly needs to get multiple young guys with scope in?

Especially for a ruck that you can probably get when you want to actually start climbing. He'll be 28 by the time they are finals relevant anyway, which is fine if his free but you aren't giving up pick 1ish for 4 years of an elite ruck are you when there is an alternative method.

[GVGjr]

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AA ruckman at 25 has to be a top 3.

Thats at least 2200 index points.

Only need another 800 to get number 1.

That's pick 23 ish.

North will get 3 for Mckay compo so it's more than reasonable.

I haven't checked but are there examples of established players being traded for early draft picks in recent years?

I'm all for backing our ability to keep Tim at the club. He's 2 weeks away from turning 26yo and we've waited patiently for this sort of season from him so I'm in no hurry to let him walk. That changes if he asks for a move though.

The North pick 3 compensation for McKay is because of the AFL fixing a problem at any cost and I don't think it factors in with our dealings with a potential trade for English.

[The Doctor]

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English and a second rounder should get #1 Shirley!

Dont call me Shirley!

[1eyedog]

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Weird article to say the least. Geelong have every right to reach out to opposition players to try and improve their list (as does every club). What shits me about the Cats is the bazillion $$ in tax-payer funds they've received to upgrade their pissant stadium as well as the Cotton On Cats brown paper bags.

Chris Scott talking about inequities in the competition should be the headline act at next year's Melbourne Comedy Festival.

And there it is.