Early Trade Rumours 2023

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

Happy to listen. Who else out there is gettable as a seasoned #1 ruck to give our midfield the best chance to succeed? (Along with being a low cost trade)

Personally I would prefer Sweety. There I mentioned his name in another thread. He would be better than Grundy. With Lobb as back up. However my money is on Tim staying for less money than we are imagining.

[bulldogtragic]

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So Bevo will go from virtually not playing Sweet at all despite his VFL dominance, to playing him 23+ games next year?

I have trouble believing Bevo would do that. You might be right, but I just can?t see Bevo doing it.

[1eyedog]

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Weagles have the cap to pay him big and pay him early so at the tail end of his contract they'll have money for the rest of the list. They're going to struggle to hit the minimum salary cap next season if the amount of culling they're going to do is to be believed.

I have a feeling they're going to try and split 1 and then offer us something between pick 2 and 5 for English, and if that's the case, no deal.

We just have to be careful with this re. the Dunkley / Bombers deal. We can't be shooting ourselves in the foot and outright reject a pick between 2-5 if there is a good chance he goes for less 12 months later. They do have a few second rounders as well that we could use for Grundy if that's the route we want to take. Grundy can ruck and is in the peaked age bracket for a ruck and could fill that role for us for the next 5 years.

Tim is worth whatever WC are prepared to pay and from what Im hearing that seems like a lot. While I agree that the value of the ruck role has become less prominent than it once was WC know that Tim is becoming more and more adept at stoppage work, but it's really his work around the ground that they love.

Ever since Cox they've seem set on acquiring rucks with big tanks, good mobility and good skills. They've always put a premium on these types and they're really hard to find.

They've been into Tim in a big way for ages and they aren't going to let him slip through their fingers.

[Bulldog4life]

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So Bevo will go from virtually not playing Sweet at all despite his VFL dominance, to playing him 23+ games next year?

I have trouble believing Bevo would do that. You might be right, but I just can?t see Bevo doing it.

You are most likely right but to me Sweety is better than the current Grundy.

[bulldogtragic]

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We just have to be careful with this re. the Dunkley / Bombers deal. We can't be shooting ourselves in the foot and outright reject a pick between 2-5 if there is a good chance he goes for less 12 months later. They do have a few second rounders as well that we could use for Grundy if that's the route we want to take. Grundy can ruck and is in the peaked age bracket for a ruck and could fill that role for us for the next 5 years.

Tim is worth whatever WC are prepared to pay and from what Im hearing that seems like a lot. While I agree that the value of the ruck role has become less prominent than it once was WC know that Tim is becoming more and more adept at stoppage work, but it's really his work around the ground that they love.

Ever since Cox they've seem set on acquiring rucks with big tanks, good mobility and good skills. They've always put a premium on these types and they're really hard to find.

They've been into Tim in a big way for ages and they aren't going to let him slip through their fingers.

They have Picks 19, 38, 56 plus Port’s second and third - circa 36 & 54

Assuming the finish last next year, they have Pick 19 (first pick of draft night two) to trade as well. I’d like that in the mix with a draft points trade where they go a bit up the order a this year and we get more points.

Then it’s say Pick 1, 36, F2/Pick 19 and extra draft points

If they stuffed around and it was Picks 2-5, 36, F2/Pick 19 and extra points…

That’s better than what we will get for him when he’s no longer under contract. It’s less than the Jackson trade if it’s not Pick 1. As a matter of good faith WCE shouldn’t trade it out immediately and wait to see how we are to deal with.

[GVGjr]

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Regarding Tim and a deal with WC, let's not pretend that clubs view a huge financial offer and subsequent compensation the same way. I can't see them agreeing to a straight up swap for Tim and the #1 pick unless we sweeten the offer.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Regarding Tim and a deal with WC, let's not pretend that clubs view a huge financial offer and subsequent compensation the same way. I can't see them agreeing to a straight up swap for Tim and the #1 pick unless we sweeten the offer.

Why would we give up an AA ruckman (star) for an unproven potential star alone.

What lunacy could encourage us to give up something else with the star for the unproven potential.

It is akin to asking Collingwood to trade Darcy Moore and give something else.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Why would we give up an AA ruckman (star) for an unproven potential star alone.

What lunacy could encourage us to give up something else with the star for the unproven potential.

It is akin to asking Collingwood to trade Darcy Moore and give something else.

But what if Darcy Moore has agreed to terms with another club and wants to move? These hypotheticals have arisen based on scenarios where the club has its hand forced. I think everyone would prefer to keep Tim but we might not have much choice ala Dunkley.

[Grantysghost]

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But what if Darcy Moore has agreed to terms with another club and wants to move? These hypotheticals have arisen based on scenarios where the club has its hand forced. I think everyone would prefer to keep Tim but we might not have much choice ala Dunkley.

We have invested so many years into Tim, it would be an absolute tragedy to lose him. Especially when we appear to be all in with him without a backup (sweet is a very different type).

The Eagles can GAGF!

As the Dunkley trade shows, you never get what the player is worth (unless you're Melbourne of course that Jackson deal wowowowow).

Dunks we get Charlie Clarke and another pick in the 15-25? Really a terrible deal for us.

[GVGjr]

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Why would we give up an AA ruckman (star) for an unproven potential star alone.

What lunacy could encourage us to give up something else with the star for the unproven potential.

It is akin to asking Collingwood to trade Darcy Moore and give something else.

I agree, after waiting so patiently for what is it 6 years to finally get a great return on Tim we should want to keep him. The problem is that he only has another year to go on his contract so perhaps there is something to be gained but letting him go earlier but I'm not seeing it if we are prepared to back ourselves.
The fact that he has a contract might give us more of an advantage this year than next.

[MrMahatma]

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Can't see WC offering pick 1 for Tim. He's not Chris Judd.

[jeemak]

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Holding a player to his contract and being satisfied with reduced compensation when they do actually go a year later is like England claiming victory in this Ashes series. You might philosophically win in your own mind, but everyone knows that you've not actually won.

The tide has turned against clubs maintaining principles, if he wants to go this year and we can't change his mind then we should take the highest possible offer for him as it's not going to be any better in 2024.

[hujsh]

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Holding a player to his contract and being satisfied with reduced compensation when they do actually go a year later is like England claiming victory in this Ashes series. You might philosophically win in your own mind, but everyone knows that you've not actually won.

The tide has turned against clubs maintaining principles, if he wants to go this year and we can't change his mind then we should take the highest possible offer for him as it's not going to be any better in 2024.

If the Dunkley deal stand we took pays off this would be the scenario where it pays off. We've shown we'll back out of trading a player if the price is wrong and maybe he'll get a better offer and go somewhere else when they're out of contract

[Bulldog Joe]

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Can't see WC offering pick 1 for Tim. He's not Chris Judd.

It is highly likely that pick 1 has a career less than Tim English.

Holding a player to his contract and being satisfied with reduced compensation when they do actually go a year later is like England claiming victory in this Ashes series. You might philosophically win in your own mind, but everyone knows that you've not actually won.

The tide has turned against clubs maintaining principles, if he wants to go this year and we can't change his mind then we should take the highest possible offer for him as it's not going to be any better in 2024.

What if holding Tim for the extra contract year brought us the 2024 Flag or letting him go effectively cost that flag?

Plus the entire landscape might change before the end of 2024.

We need to negotiate for our best position and I believe we are capable of winning the flag in 2023 and 2024 with the right coaching/team selection/game plan.

We must hold firm.

[Bornadog]

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It is highly likely that pick 1 has a career less than Tim English.



What if holding Tim for the extra contract year brought us the 2024 Flag or letting him go effectively cost that flag?

Plus the entire landscape might change before the end of 2024.

We need to negotiate for our best position and I believe we are capable of winning the flag in 2023 and 2024 with the right coaching/team selection/game plan.

We must hold firm.

I am with you all the way. We don't have any other viable rucks right now. Sweet is not the type of ruck Bevo likes.

I keep saying this tap ruckman are effectively dead unless they Hit to advantage and are good around the ground. Tim meets that criteria sitting 3rd on the list in the AFL and number one for around the ground.