ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

[ledge]

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Couldn't agree more. Ahmed Saad got 18 months for a sports drink. By any measure c/f to that Hird has been beaten senseless with a limp lettuce leaf. He was untouchable as a player but now, in the court of public opinion, he will forever be considered as the prime driver behind one of the biggest ever drug scandals in sport.

I would say his football career is over in any form after this , unless its the bombers and why would he go to a club with drug scandals etc ? He is way above that kind of club ;-)

[LostDoggy]

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Couldn't agree more. Ahmed Saad got 18 months for a sports drink. By any measure c/f to that Hird has been beaten senseless with a limp lettuce leaf. He was untouchable as a player but now, in the court of public opinion, he will forever be considered as the prime driver behind one of the biggest ever drug scandals in sport.

Whilst this is all true, make no mistake his life is ruined. He has gone from a legend of the game to a pariah, he has lost a big chunk of his personal wealth (with more to come), he will never work in the industry again and he has gone from a proud 3rd generation family legacy holder to a destroyer of that legacy. His life is now a tragedy of operatic proportions that will get worse before better - whatever the AFL whack him with is trivial by comparison.

I would love to hear him talk about what propelled him to such recklessness.

He believed Hawthorn, Collingwood and WCE were pushing the sports science envelope and that Essendon were behind and needed to compete more heavily in the area. I would like to hear him detail what he knew about the other clubs - and why he had such faith in such murky, unqualified characters as Dank.

[jeemak]

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He will still get a job with ch7 in a couple of years if he wants it.

[Greystache]

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Whilst this is all true, make no mistake his life is ruined. He has gone from a legend of the game to a pariah, he has lost a big chunk of his personal wealth (with more to come), he will never work in the industry again and he has gone from a proud 3rd generation family legacy holder to a destroyer of that legacy. His life is now a tragedy of operatic proportions that will get worse before better - whatever the AFL whack him with is trivial by comparison.

I would love to hear him talk about what propelled him to such recklessness.

He believed Hawthorn, Collingwood and WCE were pushing the sports science envelope and that Essendon were behind and needed to compete more heavily in the area. I would like to hear him detail what he knew about the other clubs - and why he had such faith in such murky, unqualified characters as Dank.

And when it started. Perhaps about 14 years before he took over as coach, about the same time when as a player he started seeing a "nutritionist" for supplement advice name Shane Charter, the same person he almost immediately connected with when he became coach, the same person who was a key figure in the recent doping program, and the same person who is a previously convicted drug trafficker.

I wonder when someone in the media will start to question these links publicly. Obviously it won't be Robbo, Holmes, or Homer Le Grande.

[LostDoggy]

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And when it started. Perhaps about 14 years before he took over as coach, about the same time when as a player he started seeing a "nutritionist" for supplement advice name Shane Charter, the same person he almost immediately connected with when he became coach, the same person who was a key figure in the recent doping program, and the same person who is a previously convicted drug trafficker.

I wonder when someone in the media will start to question these links publicly. Obviously it won't be Robbo, Holmes, or Homer Le Grande.

Yup. Then you've got the whole Dank, Robinson connection to Bomber Thompson at Geelong as precursors also. Will make for a fascinating book some day.

[Bornadog]

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And when it started. Perhaps about 14 years before he took over as coach, about the same time when as a player he started seeing a "nutritionist" for supplement advice name Shane Charter, the same person he almost immediately connected with when he became coach, the same person who was a key figure in the recent doping program, and the same person who is a previously convicted drug trafficker.

I wonder when someone in the media will start to question these links publicly. Obviously it won't be Robbo, Holmes, or Homer Le Grande.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-coach-james-hird-linked-to-convicted-drug-trafficker-shane-charter/story-e6frf9jf-1226572461168

[Twodogs]

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And when it started. Perhaps about 14 years before he took over as coach, about the same time when as a player he started seeing a "nutritionist" for supplement advice name Shane Charter, the same person he almost immediately connected with when he became coach, the same person who was a key figure in the recent doping program, and the same person who is a previously convicted drug trafficker.

I wonder when someone in the media will start to question these links publicly. Obviously it won't be Robbo, Holmes, or Homer Le Grande.

Not long after those face injuries he copped I reckon. The pain must have been horrific.

[Greystache]

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Not long after those face injuries he copped I reckon. The pain must have been horrific.

Well before that. His face injury was in 2002 he was hooked up with Charter for years already.

[Ghost Dog]

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http://media.theage.com.au/video-sport/video-afl-real-footy/the-fallout-for-essendon-7137038.html

Rohan Conolly is reporting via skype with his scruffy beard, web cam out of position, and probably in his jocks.
Hack.

[LostDoggy]

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You are right. My original post questioned why more players didn't follow his lead, but I edited it when I went back over some articles. I'm not 100% sure. If he was any kind of hero he should have blown a whistle on the whole lot. At best he was an absentee. At worst, a needle wimp.

There's no excuse for covering up this sort of program. I think the players, including Crameri I am afraid, are getting what they deserve, at least it looks like that. Can't imagine letting something like that go on without keeping a club doctor in the loop. Maybe they are lucky to get just the year. Saad got 18 months for an energy drink.

The Essendon 34 got 2 years. It was backdated only because of the time it took to hear the case and to recognise those few months already served. They in no way received any form of discount on the penalty.

I note that the list of 12 players banned at Essendon seems to be only missing Zaharakis and Dempsey from those drafted pre 2012 and still on the list.

There has been plenty of talk that Zaharakis was frightened of needles. Is anyone aware of why Dempsey is missing from the suspended group.

Maybe they figured all the PEDs in the world still couldn't make him any good.

The interesting part I take out of all of this is that if the players had simply mentioned they were taking Thymodulin when filling out the doping control forms they would've gotten away with it.

[Ghost Dog]

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McVeigh is looking pretty silly now for his swipe at Kyle Reimers. Excerpt from 2013 article.

"McVeigh angrily denied there was anything untoward about last year's controversial fitness program at the club.

'Kyle Reimers has come out and said some things that are untrue,'' McVeigh told SEN radio.

"He's a disgruntled player who was delisted from the football club, who very rarely turned up to pre-season training in any sort of form that resembled a professional footballer.

"Every player knew what we were taking ... if you didn't know, you must have been asleep in the meeting, which Kyle probably was.

"Everything that I took, and I can only speak on my behalf obviously, I knew 100 per cent that it was within the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) and AFL doping regulations.'

[bulldogtragic]

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McVeigh is looking pretty silly now for his swipe at Kyle Reimers. Excerpt from 2013 article.

"McVeigh angrily denied there was anything untoward about last year's controversial fitness program at the club.

'Kyle Reimers has come out and said some things that are untrue,'' McVeigh told SEN radio.

"He's a disgruntled player who was delisted from the football club, who very rarely turned up to pre-season training in any sort of form that resembled a professional footballer.

"Every player knew what we were taking ... if you didn't know, you must have been asleep in the meeting, which Kyle probably was.

"Everything that I took, and I can only speak on my behalf obviously, I knew 100 per cent that it was within the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) and AFL doping regulations.'

To be fair, he was looking like and sounding like an ass clown long before now.

[bulldogtragic]

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He will still get a job with ch7 in a couple of years if he wants it.

The saddest part of what you say, is the truth in it.

[G-Mo77]

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McVeigh is looking pretty silly now for his swipe at Kyle Reimers. Excerpt from 2013 article.

"McVeigh angrily denied there was anything untoward about last year's controversial fitness program at the club.

'Kyle Reimers has come out and said some things that are untrue,'' McVeigh told SEN radio.

"He's a disgruntled player who was delisted from the football club, who very rarely turned up to pre-season training in any sort of form that resembled a professional footballer.

"Every player knew what we were taking ... if you didn't know, you must have been asleep in the meeting, which Kyle probably was.

"Everything that I took, and I can only speak on my behalf obviously, I knew 100 per cent that it was within the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) and AFL doping regulations.'

I hope Kyle gave him a ring. Reimers seems and probably is a complete flog but huge respect for him for going against the grain of that toxic dump.

[G-Mo77]

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And when it started. Perhaps about 14 years before he took over as coach, about the same time when as a player he started seeing a "nutritionist" for supplement advice name Shane Charter, the same person he almost immediately connected with when he became coach, the same person who was a key figure in the recent doping program, and the same person who is a previously convicted drug trafficker.

I wonder when someone in the media will start to question these links publicly. Obviously it won't be Robbo, Holmes, or Homer Le Grande.

Charter is pretty well known locally where I grew up. Stories about Hird and PEP's rumored around town back when he won his brownlow. Back them it seemed like a far fetched story and just rumors and innuendo in a small town. I'd almost put money on it being true now.