ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

[Dry Rot]

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I don't mind Grant Thomas and his views on football are usually spot on. Problem is he s usually running an agenda so you have to seperate that from what he says to get at the salient bits.

Normally I wouldn't bother but Thomas can be devestangly accurate about our short comings. He's not the sort of bloke I want to see involved at our club though.

I wouldn't want to have a beer with him either

[Twodogs]

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I wouldn't want to have a beer with him either

I think I invented a word in my post-devestangly doesn't exist but it's too good a word to waste. Maybe devastating and confusing, thus getting the opposition confused and in a tangle? "Jake Stringer devestangled three defenders after the ball bounced in the goal square" or "Bont stormed devestangly through the middle of the ground running around opponents like they weren't there or swatting them off if they dared to try and tackle him."

[Dry Rot]

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I think I invented a word in my post-devestangly doesn't exist but it's too good a word to waste. Maybe devastating and confusing, thus getting the opposition confused and in a tangle? "Jake Stringer devestangled three defenders after the ball bounced in the goal square" or "Bont stormed devestangly through the middle of the ground running around opponents like they weren't there or swatting them off if they dared to try and tackle him."

Speaking of Stringer, I learnt a good life lesson last year.

If you are sitting with the Swans members watching a game at the SCG and things are getting a little heated, don't tell them that Jake Stringer is better than Adam Goodes.

[jeemak]

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Grant Thomas is generally good for his first point (as long as it's not about your team), but once he's on his hobby horse he doesn't get off.

He whips the hell out of it, then turns the whip around and starts bashing it with the handle. Then, with little regard for the horrible things he's done to that poor horse, he starts smashing another one.

[LostDoggy]

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-34-new-twist-as-stephen-dank-to-argue-he-did-not-send-shane-charter-to-china-20160130-gmhn50.html

For those of us who remain fascinated by this case and are looking forward to finding out more of the detail about who did and knew what and when, the above article outlines some detail on upcoming legal actions that should produce a good deal of information.

[GVGjr]

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...30-gmhn50.html

For those of us who remain fascinated by this case and are looking forward to finding out more of the detail about who did and knew what and when, the above article outlines some detail on upcoming legal actions that should produce a good deal of information.

Still a lot more to play out with this. It's an absolute mess.

[Twodogs]

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Still a lot more to play out with this. It's an absolute mess.

Agree with that. An absolute mess. This should have been all sorted long ago. without stunts, without tricks, without lies, without manoeuvring, without politics and without bullshit.

[Twodogs]

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Speaking of Stringer, I learnt a good life lesson last year.

If you are sitting with the Swans members watching a game at the SCG and things are getting a little heated, don't tell them that Jake Stringer is better than Adam Goodes.

But, but, but he is! Hahahahah!!!!!

[Axe Man]

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The saga drags on...

Essendon drugs saga: Players to appeal to Swiss court against Court of Arbitration for Sport verdict

The Essendon supplements scandal will continue for at least another year, as the 34 past and present AFL players banned for an anti-doping breach for a year by the Court of Arbitration for Sport will appeal to a Swiss court.

It emerged on Friday that many of the players had agreed to join the appeal before the Swiss Federal Tribunal, to be funded by the Bombers.

It's understood several players have signed paperwork agreeing for lawyers through the AFL Players Association and lawyers in Switzerland to go ahead with the case.

Several players were shattered by the CAS finding, and maintain they were either given nothing illegal during the 2012 injecting program, or had been duped in a program run by sports scientist Stephen Dank. They also believe their arguments were not fully taken into account by the three-man, Swiss-based CAS panel last month.

Western Bulldogs president and lawyer Peter Gordon recently said the reasoning behind the suspensions imposed by CAS contained "factual errors".

The Dogs had two former Essendon players banned by CAS - the senior-listed Stewart Crameri, and the VFL-listed Brent Prismall.

Another argument Gordon had raised focused on a rule change midway through the players' AFL anti-doping tribunal hearing last year.

Gordon said the players had initially fallen under the 2010 AFL anti-doping code, which stipulated that rulings could only be appealed if the decision involved legal error or gross unreasonableness. But he said the upgraded AFL anti-doping code unveiled in January last year - when the case before the AFL anti-doping tribunal was underway - allowed CAS to pursue the entire case again.

The third argument lawyers had investigated was over the length of the penalty, with lawyers considering arguing that it was unreasonable.

The players had been handed the mandatory two-year ban and were found to be significantly at fault but, ultimately, were banned for only a year.

Gordon told Fairfax Media last week: "This is not a decision for Peter Gordon, it is not a decision for lawyers, it is not a decision for Essendon or even the AFL. This is a decision for the 34 blokes who have been so unfairly and so dramatically damaged by this decision."

Earlier on Friday, AFLPA boss Paul Marsh said that he expected Essendon players to appeal against their doping bans.
Asked on Friday morning if some of the 34 current and former players would appeal, Marsh told SEN: "It's quite possible - it's quite likely, I should say."

It's understood the players have not sought an injunction, meaning they will remain suspended this year.
The decision came after players agent Peter Jess rejected a report claiming his client, Nathan Lovett-Murray, would lodge an independent appeal against the CAS finding.

"That's not right - it's completely wrong. Nathan had to lodge papers with the AFLPA by 2pm on Tuesday whether he would be part of an appeal with the AFLPA," Jess told Fairfax Media on Friday.
"He did that - as we have had said all along he would do. But he is not going alone. Where would he get the lawyers and barristers and funding needed to do that in Switzerland?"

Essendon doctor Bruce Reid has also taken umbrage with the report, and is believed to have threatened defamation action.

The appeal hearing is unlikely to be heard until later in the year - at the earliest.

As revealed by Fairfax Media, Lovett-Murray is launching an independent compensation bid against the Bombers, with sports lawyer Tony Nolan, QC, heading his case. Lawyer Chris Pollard, who once worked for the AFL Coaches Association, is also involved.

Compensation claims against the Bombers - the club has insurance to help cover this - could top more than $30 million.

[bulldogtragic]

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So is Stew around this year now then?

[Bornadog]

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So is Stew around this year now then?

He would need to lodge an injunction, but article doesn't mention if he has.

[Greystache]

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He would need to lodge an injunction, but article doesn't mention if he has.

If he gets an injunction to play and losses his appeal he will face the full two year suspension originally handed down with no backdating.

[bulldogtragic]

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If he gets an injunction to play and losses his appeal he will face the full two year suspension originally handed down with no backdating.

How did not taking his medicine work for him last time? If this fails, is career is over with a 2 year ban.

[Twodogs]

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If he gets an injunction to play and losses his appeal he will face the full two year suspension originally handed down with no backdating.

An unbelievable imposition.

Magna Carta will be very sad.

[westdog54]

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If he gets an injunction to play and losses his appeal he will face the full two year suspension originally handed down with no backdating.

Not true. The suspension handed out by CAS factored in provisional suspensions already served and a range of other factors. If one reads the finding carefully the bans were for two years less varying amounts of time already served.

Most players still in the system have their suspensions run out in November. Anyone who was out of the AFL system before they were served with a Show cause notice are serving a full two years from the date of the verdict, less the provisional suspension.

This is something that most have missed when discussing the sentences.