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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
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    Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

    Originally posted by 1eyedog
    Word is the Bombers are working on a deal with him. I personally reckon he's worth 500-550k he's a freak of a player. I think it's where we need to be if we have any hope of extracting him.
    Pretty sure the have cap problems so will be tight.
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    • Happy Days
      Hall of Fame
      • May 2008
      • 10133

      Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

      Originally posted by bornadog
      Pretty sure the have cap problems so will be tight.
      The downside of Daniher potentially going to Sydney is that it should alleviate any problems they have with the cap.
      - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 14915

        Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

        Originally posted by bornadog
        Pretty sure the have cap problems so will be tight.
        Their cap issues may cost them their promising young ruck too after the Saints put a $1.2m contract in his face for 3 years.

        Bombers have made some big signings in recent years.
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        • ledge
          Hall of Fame
          • Dec 2007
          • 14301

          Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

          Originally posted by Mofra
          Their cap issues may cost them their promising young ruck too after the Saints put a $1.2m contract in his face for 3 years.

          Bombers have made some big signings in recent years.
          And apparently Dordoro is the best at doing deals, they win every trade year, but haven’t won a final since god was a boy.
          So I have no idea how they come to that conclusion as they will also lose players due to his cap management.
          Bring back the biff

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          • bulldogtragic
            The List Manager
            • Jan 2007
            • 34316

            Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

            From afel.com.au

            Recruiters split on 2020 draft. The key part is that clubs may not want later picks next year (which we want for points), and clubs may fight to get better first round picks, so we can grab a great deal to swap firsts next year like I’ve been banging on about for a few months. GWS would be best, with something this year likely Brisbane or maybe WCE (if they give up on Kelly) with our first & third.

            Timing is great for us with JUH & Macca and draft strength.

            From the article:

            That's where clubs who haven't got any players coming through next year are in a good position, because their picks might be more valuable for other clubs to try to get off them before next year."

            There's a few in this camp. The Western Bulldogs have first call on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, a tall indigenous forward who is tied to them through their Next Generation and who shapes as an early selection.
            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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            • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2007
              • 8939

              Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

              Originally posted by bulldogtragic
              From afel.com.au

              Recruiters split on 2020 draft. The key part is that clubs may not want later picks next year (which we want for points), and clubs may fight to get better first round picks, so we can grab a great deal to swap firsts next year like I’ve been banging on about for a few months. GWS would be best, with something this year likely Brisbane or maybe WCE (if they give up on Kelly) with our first & third.

              Timing is great for us with JUH & Macca and draft strength.

              From the article:

              That's where clubs who haven't got any players coming through next year are in a good position, because their picks might be more valuable for other clubs to try to get off them before next year."

              There's a few in this camp. The Western Bulldogs have first call on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, a tall indigenous forward who is tied to them through their Next Generation and who shapes as an early selection.
              I posted that article in the Academy thread. It made my day reading that JUH is shaping as ours.
              Regardless of how this year ends, we are on the cusp of accruing a talent base that is better than we've ever had.

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              • comrade
                Hall of Fame
                • Jun 2008
                • 18004

                Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                I posted that article in the Academy thread. It made my day reading that JUH is shaping as ours.
                Regardless of how this year ends, we are on the cusp of accruing a talent base that is better than we've ever had.
                If you download the NAB League app, you can view his season highlights. Round 10 v Calder is especially good, just slotting them from everywhere. Special talent.
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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34316

                  Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                  Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                  I posted that article in the Academy thread. It made my day reading that JUH is shaping as ours.
                  Regardless of how this year ends, we are on the cusp of accruing a talent base that is better than we've ever had.
                  In the next 15 months we look like hopefully acquiring 3-4 players from Martin, King, Tomlinson, Keath, Tippa, Hill, Langdon (hope not) as well as JUH & MacPherson (any other FS or NGAs) and more kids and targeted trades. Not losing too many elite players to retirement, Wood, Trengove, Suckling etc.

                  At the same time we need to get and stay consistent, while our KPPs are solid to dam exciting, our midfield group is rated by the AFEL coaches as the best in the league (and youngest) and get our skills up and a goal kicking right.

                  If we were a trading stock, you'd be buying up big time.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8939

                    Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                    Originally posted by comrade
                    If you download the NAB League app, you can view his season highlights. Round 10 v Calder is especially good, just slotting them from everywhere. Special talent.
                    I'm already salivating at the prospect..I just don't want to get my hopes up, til AFL confirm officially we have got him.

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                    • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8939

                      Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                      In the next 15 months we look like hopefully acquiring 3-4 players from Martin, King, Tomlinson, Keath, Tippa, Hill, Langdon (hope not) as well as JUH & MacPherson (any other FS or NGAs) and more kids and targeted trades. Not losing too many elite players to retirement, Wood, Trengove, Suckling etc.

                      At the same time we need to get and stay consistent, while our KPPs are solid to dam exciting, our midfield group is rated by the AFEL coaches as the best in the league (and youngest) and get our skills up and a goal kicking right.

                      If we were a trading stock, you'd be buying up big time.
                      Agree. We should be expecting a much greater level of consistency from next year on as our list profile grows in experience. Guys like Richards, Mclean, Cordy, Schache, Naughton, English, Dale (if he stays), Williams(if he stays) should start to 'find their level'.
                      This trade period looms large in adding the gaps that should enable it to come together.
                      Power earns his stripes big time if he can land at least 2 of the key targets you've highlighted. For mine, Martin and Keath/Tomlinson head the list, with Tippa next.
                      King would be nice, but still has a further 2-3 years before he is a dominator.
                      Earlier in the year there was scuttlebutt around a Carlton key defender being on our radar...is that still being heard? If so, I'd love it to be Weitering. He'd be a beautiful fit for a Beveridge type key defender, agile and versatile.

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                      • Happy Days
                        Hall of Fame
                        • May 2008
                        • 10133

                        Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                        Originally posted by Mofra
                        Their cap issues may cost them their promising young ruck too after the Saints put a $1.2m contract in his face for 3 years.

                        Bombers have made some big signings in recent years.
                        They just signed said ruck for 4 years - maybe its not as bad as first thought, or maybe they're resigned to losing Tippa. Who knows.
                        - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 14915

                          Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                          Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                          I posted that article in the Academy thread. It made my day reading that JUH is shaping as ours.
                          Regardless of how this year ends, we are on the cusp of accruing a talent base that is better than we've ever had.
                          'Marra posted the full AFL, VFL & AFLW results for the bulldogs on his instagram. Great considering he grew up an Essendon fan. He's on board.
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                          • Mofra
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 14915

                            Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                            Originally posted by Happy Days
                            They just signed said ruck for 4 years - maybe its not as bad as first thought, or maybe they're resigned to losing Tippa. Who knows.
                            Or they're getting creative. Some bombers fans think Hurley might be out of the door.
                            Francis is a terrible swingman but decent backman, then they have Hooker as well.

                            I think we squeeze them and Tippa signs for more than Essendon first offered.
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                            • azabob
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15290

                              Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                              On Hurley the scuttle butt is that he and Hooker were voted into the leadership group by the players and then removed by senior Essendon officials prior to the season starting.

                              Hurley was extremely annoyed at this.
                              More of an In Bruges guy?

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                              • Topdog
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 7471

                                Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                                I feel like because we are linked many are overrating Tippa. He is terribly inconsistent and has some downright awful games.

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