BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

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  • whythelongface
    Coaching Staff
    • Jan 2007
    • 4455

    Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

    Originally posted by Topdog
    I feel like because we are linked many are overrating Tippa. He is terribly inconsistent and has some downright awful games.
    I hear what you are saying but in a good team I think he can be more consistent. For us he would be the cream and make our forward line extremely difficult to match up on.

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    • Twodogs
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 27654

      Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

      Originally posted by azabob
      On Hurley the scuttle butt is that he and Hooker were voted into the leadership group by the players and then removed by senior Essendon officials prior to the season starting.

      Hurley was extremely annoyed at this.
      I have little sympathy after the way he dicked us around.
      They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34316

        Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

        So I think we should pursue Port Adelaide fairly strongly for a draft points trade. They have pick 27 and their F/S Mead will go much higher.

        We have picks 41 & 46 locked in from St Kilda & Hawthorn.

        But that's not enough points for viable pick swap alone (just 30 points or so). So I'd add in our natural 3rd rounder, and a future fourth rounder. So all the third rounders go to Port. We get back Picks 27 & 61, and a future third rounder.

        For us: (say worst case, we lose week one)

        2019: Picks 12, 27, 30, 61 & 84
        2020: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd Port, 5th

        Essentially we use our cluster of thirds to move into the top 30 this year, while starting to stockpile draft picks/better draft picks for all our priority access talent next year. Serves us well this year and next, so I quite like it.
        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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        • comrade
          Hall of Fame
          • Jun 2008
          • 18004

          Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

          Good job, BT. That'd suit us nicely.

          Do you know what GC's 2nd round pick is?
          Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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          • bulldogtragic
            The List Manager
            • Jan 2007
            • 34316

            Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

            Originally posted by comrade
            Good job, BT. That'd suit us nicely.

            Do you know what GC's 2nd round pick is?
            They don't have one, or their natural third. They have Brisbane's first, say pick 16, and then nothing before Richmond's 3rd, around pick 50. So, yep, 18th has two picks inside 50 right now at the draft. They almost need players to request trades out to get into the draft.
            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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            • comrade
              Hall of Fame
              • Jun 2008
              • 18004

              Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

              Originally posted by bulldogtragic
              They don't have one, or their natural third. They have Brisbane's first, say pick 16, and then nothing before Richmond's 3rd, around pick 50. So, yep, 18th has two picks inside 50 right now at the draft. They almost need players to request trades out to get into the draft.
              In this scenario, 12 for Martin feels like overs, but they don't have anything in this year's draft to send back our way.

              Perhaps 12 for Martin & GC's 2020 2nd rounder?

              Now if we win the whole thing....18 (or likely 19 after GC get a PP) for Martin seems more on point.
              Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34316

                Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                Originally posted by comrade
                In this scenario, 12 for Martin feels like overs, but they don't have anything in this year's draft to send back our way.

                Perhaps 12 for Martin & GC's 2020 2nd rounder?

                Now if we win the whole thing....18 (or likely 19 after GC get a PP) for Martin seems more on point.
                Say it was unfortunately pick 12, their third next year will be pick 37 (finishing last) is 483 draft points. If we could do the Port hypothetical above and this pick 37, that gives us the points coverage to look at trading down our first rounder next year for something good this year (pick or player). So the flow on effect is significant for us.

                Then we have points for next year, and picks 27 & 30, Williams & the future first trade down potentially on the trade table to secure the players we want to pay $1.7M or so towards.
                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                • Mofra
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 14915

                  Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                  Intrigued by Ben Sokol. Still putting up crazy numbers as a WAFL forward, haven't seen him play though. 186cm medium forward, 23 years old. His last month reads:

                  Rd 17:
                  7 goals, 13 marks

                  Rd 18:
                  6 goals, 12 marks

                  Rd 19:
                  6 goals, 11 marks

                  Rd 20:
                  6 goals, 13 marks

                  Given our stated desire to 'get more mature' I wouldn't be surprised if he's the type on our radar if we miss out on our trade targets.
                  Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                  • bulldogtragic
                    The List Manager
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 34316

                    Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                    So I think we should pursue Port Adelaide fairly strongly for a draft points trade. They have pick 27 and their F/S Mead will go much higher.

                    We have picks 41 & 46 locked in from St Kilda & Hawthorn.

                    But that's not enough points for viable pick swap alone (just 30 points or so). So I'd add in our natural 3rd rounder, and a future fourth rounder. So all the third rounders go to Port. We get back Picks 27 & 61, and a future third rounder.

                    For us: (say worst case, we lose week one)

                    2019: Picks 12, 27, 30, 61 & 84
                    2020: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd Port, 5th

                    Essentially we use our cluster of thirds to move into the top 30 this year, while starting to stockpile draft picks/better draft picks for all our priority access talent next year. Serves us well this year and next, so I quite like it.
                    Looking at the indicative draft order just now, if we can work with Port to get pick 27 with our second rounder, we could be a shot at packaging them up and offering a points trade to GWS who have a top 5 academy prospect. They're range is of first round pick is 12-18 (with Essendons Pick 11). That puts us in range of their first rounder, or if we swapped 1st next year, then maybe pick 11.

                    That would leave us with two teen picks and Bailey Williams to try and get a KPD, small forward and outside run with class:

                    As an example only (if other players come up, things just get shuffled), on the media linked player names:

                    Outside - Martin - 1st rounder (3rd rounder next year back)
                    Sm. Fwd - Tippa - 1st rounder (pick 47 back)
                    KPD - Keath - Bailey Williams & pick 47
                    (Or Tomlinson as a free agent)

                    2019 Picks - 61, 80+ & upgrade Lachie Young (just the two live picks - this year focus is experienced talent, next year young talent)
                    2020 Picks - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd GCS, 3rd Port, 5th (Up to 3,000 draft points needed - guessing finishes gives us well over 3,000 points and thereby by avoiding deficit in 2021 and get all of our priority access players)

                    Ins: 3 traded mature role players, one rookie upgrade, two draft picks (6)
                    Outs: Boyd, Picken, Williams, Roberts, Webb & Morris (6) (Roarke Smith & Gardner to go off the rookie list - So 2 rookie draft picks)

                    No free agents, or delisted free agents unless Dickson retires. As Dickson has to be the seventh player (math) for a spot to open up unless there's other trades out or someone retires early.
                    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                    • Hotdog60
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 5885

                      Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                      Moz may stay on the main list.
                      Don't piss off old people
                      The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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                      • bulldogtragic
                        The List Manager
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 34316

                        Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                        Originally posted by Hotdog60
                        Moz may stay on the main list.
                        Every player retires at some point. I love everything he’s given our club, but 3 ACL injuries in 17 months and 38 next year with most of the year out. His time is now, like Tuck or Boomer they’d play forever if they could, I hope he calls time on a stunning career.
                        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 66573

                          Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                          Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                          Every player retires at some point. I love everything he’s given our club, but 3 ACL injuries in 17 months and 38 next year with most of the year out. His time is now, like Tuck or Boomer they’d play forever if they could, I hope he calls time on a stunning career.
                          As much as I don't want him gone, we have to be realistic.
                          FFC: Established 1883

                          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                          • bulldogtragic
                            The List Manager
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 34316

                            Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                            Originally posted by bornadog
                            As much as I don't want him gone, we have to be realistic.
                            That’s footy. But like Bubba or Turtle, you can help this club & group in other ways than playing.
                            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                            • Happy Days
                              Hall of Fame
                              • May 2008
                              • 10133

                              Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                              Originally posted by Mofra
                              Intrigued by Ben Sokol. Still putting up crazy numbers as a WAFL forward, haven't seen him play though. 186cm medium forward, 23 years old. His last month reads:

                              Rd 17:
                              7 goals, 13 marks

                              Rd 18:
                              6 goals, 12 marks

                              Rd 19:
                              6 goals, 11 marks

                              Rd 20:
                              6 goals, 13 marks

                              Given our stated desire to 'get more mature' I wouldn't be surprised if he's the type on our radar if we miss out on our trade targets.
                              Wow that's a really cool number of goals.
                              - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                              • Mofra
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 14915

                                Re: BT's very, very, very, very early list management thread 2019-2020

                                Originally posted by Happy Days
                                Wow that's a really cool number of goals.
                                Near on 150 over three years.
                                As I said I haven't seen him play so I'm not sure to the eyeball he can translate that to AFL football but we took Gowers on one year of exposed form as a forward (he played defence when he was a Carlton rookie).
                                Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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