ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

[Sedat]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

I don't see why we wouldn't be paying Crameri.

We knew when we chased him that this was a possibility to happen within his initial 4 year term. We budgeted to pay him. So my way of looking at it, is that you pay him, and its one less (significant) thing for him to worry about during a horrible year for him - and you show as a club that you care about a valued member of the team.

(all of this is assuming that nothing in his contract, or our deal with Essendon - suggests anything to the contrary).

Agreed, pay him and then sue the shit out of Essendon - make these scumbags bleed.

[Twodogs]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

I don't see why we wouldn't be paying Crameri.

We knew when we chased him that this was a possibility to happen within his initial 4 year term. We budgeted to pay him. So my way of looking at it, is that you pay him, and its one less (significant) thing for him to worry about during a horrible year for him - and you show as a club that you care about a valued member of the team.

(all of this is assuming that nothing in his contract, or our deal with Essendon - suggests anything to the contrary).

Agreed, pay him and then sue the shit out of Essendon - make these scumbags bleed.

Yup. We are his employer and should do the right thing. Its one less thing for Crameri to worry about. Then sue the bastards.

[Greystache]

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Agreed, pay him and then sue the shit out of Essendon - make these scumbags bleed.

I agree with the sentiment, but I'm not so sure it's as simple as that. I'm inclined to say don't pay him and make Essendon cover his costs, assuming they're going to be cooperative and not try to punish him, that way we can reserve his salary cap space and bank it into Boyd or another front loaded deal, while Crameri himself doesn't suffer.

There might be some clauses and such but that would be my first option.

[Sedat]

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I agree with the sentiment, but I'm not so sure it's as simple as that. I'm inclined to say don't pay him and make Essendon cover his costs, assuming they're going to be cooperative and not try to punish him, that way we can reserve his salary cap space and bank it into Boyd or another front loaded deal, while Crameri himself doesn't suffer.

There might be some clauses and such but that would be my first option.

In a perfect world your suggestion would be the option to pursue. I'm just not sure it is achievable with the complexities involved in this case - as such it's better to ensure that your employee's contractual terms are not being breached and then going after the 3rd party (EFC in this case) for compensation claims.

It's a grubby, messy situation that has been brought about as a direct result the entitlement and arrogance of one footy club and its coach (and former playing legend).

[Greystache]

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In a perfect world your suggestion would be the option to pursue. I'm just not sure it is achievable with the complexities involved in this case - as such it's better to ensure that your employee's contractual terms are not being breached and then going after the 3rd party (EFC in this case) for compensation claims.

It's a grubby, messy situation that has been brought about as a direct result the entitlement and arrogance of one footy club and its coach (and former playing legend).

My thinking is we could skirt the issue with something like an interest free payday loan for Crameri by an arms distance benefactor to ensure he's not out of pocket while pursuing Essendon for his salary, mean while we're not paying him as it's Essendon's issue to resolve and we have cap space to front load a contract or two.

[jeemak]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

Given he's at least partially responsible for his predicament he's lucky to be paid at all.

[Twodogs]

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My thinking is we could skirt the issue with something like an interest free payday loan for Crameri by an arms distance benefactor to ensure he's not out of pocket while pursuing Essendon for his salary, mean while we're not paying him as it's Essendon's issue to resolve and we have cap space to front load a contract or two.

So do we subtract the loan from the payment we retrieve? And forward the balance to Crameri?

[Greystache]

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So do we subtract the loan from the payment we retrieve? And forward the balance to Crameri?

Yes. Crameri would settle his loan with the benefactor once he receives due payment from Essendon.

[Twodogs]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

Yes. Crameri would settle his loan with the benefactor once he receives due payment from Essendon.

Yeah. That could work. Ken Thongy the AFL salary cap investigator would be OK with it I guess. It's not like he's getting extra payment.

[Greystache]

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The variable is whether the AFL would apply the Essendon payment under the Bulldogs salary cap, which they probably would if it looked like we could benefit in some way, even though his payment would be compensation for not being able to play rather than playing.

[LostDoggy]

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I think it's important we look after Crameri directly and are seen to be doing so. Within the playing group, Crameri's well being would be of great concern and any sense of us cutting corners of deferring responsibility can create rumblings that can lead to issues. Players need to have full faith that the club has their back.

By all means pursue EFC for recompense, in co-ordination with Port/StKilda/Melbourne, but in the meantime make sure our actions can be seen 100% as looking after Crameri first (as has been said, we took him on knowing the risk).

[The Pie Man]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

Tomorrow's Herald Sun reveals Prismall is still working at the club, citing AFL approval.

What the hell are we playing at? Crazy - we could be in a world of sh*#

[The Adelaide Connection]

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Tomorrow's Herald Sun reveals Prismall is still working at the club, citing AFL approval.

What the hell are we playing at? Crazy - we could be in a world of sh*#

This seems like absolute madness. I guess Prismal has effectively retired and decided that serving the full two year playing ban is inconsequential. My only question would be can the club get sanctioned for employing him while he is banned?

[jeemak]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

I wouldn't worry about it too much unless you're completely across the do's and don't's of the CAS/WADA provisions.

[The Pie Man]

Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

I wouldn't worry about it too much unless you're completely across the do's and don't's of the CAS/WADA provisions.

From Chris Kaias on Twitter

'The Western Bulldogs should be very careful about the Prismall situation. All Bulldogs players could face potential Association bans.'

'They (ASADA) could commence the ADRV (Anti Doping Rules Violations) process against Bulldog players.'

He is banned from any involvement in sport - crazy the AFL / us would even consider this, let alone make it happen