2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

[Bulldog Revolution]

Re: 2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

Looks like Collingwood will pick up Kruegar on the cheap. A shame, I liked his VFL games this year.

Looks like picks 41 and 55 going to Geelong - not sure if there is a pick coming back to Collingwood

[Ozza]

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Carlton play more of a one on one defence than other clubs - we're probably one of the most 'zone' of zone defences, which means players who can lapse in positioning look worse in our system (Young) and players with obvious deficiencies but are more often in the right spot (Cordy) can fit.

Sometimes a player can be both not suited to a team and a decent player. I'm not quite sure where Young fits as he seems to 'almost' fit a few positions but good luck to him.

Will be interesting to see if he gets opportunities at Carlton. Weitering and Jones have the key defensive posts locked up at the moment - with Plowman and Kemp getting opportunities as 3rd talls. They'll have to work out what to do with Mitch McGovern too and whether he is defender or forward (or VFL player) if Curnow and McKay are healthy.

[Mofra]

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Will be interesting to see if he gets opportunities at Carlton. Weitering and Jones have the key defensive posts locked up at the moment - with Plowman and Kemp getting opportunities as 3rd talls. They'll have to work out what to do with Mitch McGovern too and whether he is defender or forward (or VFL player) if Curnow and McKay are healthy.

McGovern would be a salary dump with WCE if they had the cap space.
Kemp needs to get his body right but plays 'short' for his height, was a mid as a junior.
I suspect de Koning plays as a tall forward/ruck relief next year. The kid can play. That rules our McGovern or Young from the forwardline.

Let's not forget Liam Jones will be 31 by the start of next season.

[divvydan]

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Looks like picks 41 and 55 going to Geelong - not sure if there is a pick coming back to Collingwood

It's Kreuger and 55 to Collingwood for pick 41.

[macca]

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McGovern would be a salary dump with WCE if they had the cap space.
Kemp needs to get his body right but plays 'short' for his height, was a mid as a junior.
I suspect de Koning plays as a tall forward/ruck relief next year. The kid can play. That rules our McGovern or Young from the forwardline.

Let's not forget Liam Jones will be 31 by the start of next season.

Great assessment Mofra

Could be Liam Jones replacement . Young lacks Liam speed . Maybe he will be the backline intercepting anchor with some relief in the ruck it is where I see him . Would suit carlton unaccountable style of footy , but a Voss now the BOSS may try to change that .

[soupman]

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Carlton play more of a one on one defence than other clubs - we're probably one of the most 'zone' of zone defences, which means players who can lapse in positioning look worse in our system (Young) and players with obvious deficiencies but are more often in the right spot (Cordy) can fit.

Sometimes a player can be both not suited to a team and a decent player. I'm not quite sure where Young fits as he seems to 'almost' fit a few positions but good luck to him.

Interesting because I wouldn't say Youngs strength is one on one.

If he isn't a one on one defender but lacks the positioning awareness to play the intercept role in a system like ours where does he fit?

[Bornadog]

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Interesting because I wouldn't say Youngs strength is one on one.

If he isn't a one on one defender but lacks the positioning awareness to play the intercept role in a system like ours where does he fit?

New coach, new game plan

[Mofra]

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Interesting because I wouldn't say Youngs strength is one on one.

If he isn't a one on one defender but lacks the positioning awareness to play the intercept role in a system like ours where does he fit?

I don't know, and it's no longer our problem.
I guess there is a trade off between 'talent' and 'usefulness'. The latter leads to more team contribution, the first is far more seductive.

[Sedat]

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If he isn't a one on one defender but lacks the positioning awareness to play the intercept role in a system like ours where does he fit?

Preston

[bulldogtragic]

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O'Brien would be worth considering and we shouldn't be relying on Easton Wood based on his form over the last couple of years. He's not as effective against smaller players either.

If it's O'Brien for Young then we lose a bit in the ruck depth but knowing that at least he is more likely to be played.
I'd prefer to keep Young but this is a reasonable replacement.

I wonder if we see O’Brien as our Bruce Insurance and mature body to spare Marra & Darcy from being forced to play. His goal kicking accuracy across his career is about 66%. Which is elite.

Then Schache moves to defence as a 200cm intercepting KPD with great foot skills. Improving on the output that Young gave us this year.

B: Keath, Schache, Gardner, Cordy (Williams, Wood, Crozier)

F: Naughton, English, O’Brien, Marra, Darcy (Bruce)

[1eyedog]

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Interesting because I wouldn't say Youngs strength is one on one.

If he isn't a one on one defender but lacks the positioning awareness to play the intercept role in a system like ours where does he fit?

I actually didn't think he was encouraged in this role very much at all. When he was he looked good.

[soupman]

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This is from the confirmed trades thread but I'd rather not clog it up with discussion so moving it here (initial response is regarding Finlayson to Port).

Lol he’s worth more than a future 3rd.

25 years old, lethal set shot. Massive douche nugget but he’s an upgrade on Marshall for them.

Could Marshall be someone worth looking at for us? He's a bit of a Beaker but is a pretty decent tall small, can create stuff and has some good pace. I think we might've been interested in him in his draft year, and we have definitely used those tall smalls a lot in the past (and currently have Hannan being one).

He's hardly inspiring but if he's on the outs there, is only 22, has played 54 games (which is basically where they start to come good so could be right on the cusp), could be worth looking at?

[soupman]

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I actually didn't think he was encouraged in this role very much at all. When he was he looked good.

Which role. One on one he only really got to play that role in the last 3 games of 2019 and was decent, but I still don't trust him in that role. Young one out with a key forward is scary. As an interceptor hasn't really played it at AFL level since his first season. I am assuming he never did enough in either role at VFL level to demand selection, and thats not really a good sign.

[1eyedog]

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Which role. One on one he only really got to play that role in the last 3 games of 2019 and was decent, but I still don't trust him in that role. Young one out with a key forward is scary. As an interceptor hasn't really played it at AFL level since his first season. I am assuming he never did enough in either role at VFL level to demand selection, and thats not really a good sign.

I was thinking as an intercepting defender. He had a massive game playing this role against the Lions in Ballarat and then followed up against the Suns at home all over the place. Agree re. he's had his chances to impress in the VFL and for one reason or the other didn't take them.

[G-Mo77]

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Hawthorn friends texting and DMing me thanking us for taking O'Brien.

I haven't seen a lot of him, I'm not going to shit all over it, I'm sceptical and have very little expectations of what he'll bring. I shat all over the Dureya signing a few years back, maybe I should do the same and it'll turn out great.