2022 Draft Watch

[Missing Dog]

Re: 2022 Draft Watch

21 is a tricky one depending on how the first round plays out. Similarly, to our first pick where we're hoping one of the top 10 slips out ( ala Humphreys or Phillipou), I'm sure there's a few that we may be hoping slide to 21.

A few names who MAY be there that would be appealing include Hayes, Weddle, Hotton, Szybowski, Barnett, and Konstanty. It really depends on who pulls the trigger the night before. There's some handy half back types as well such as Cowan and Ryan that will be around the mark.

[GVGjr]

Re: 2022 Draft Watch

21 is a tricky one depending on how the first round plays out. Similarly, to our first pick where we're hoping one of the top 10 slips out ( ala Humphreys or Phillipou), I'm sure there's a few that we may be hoping slide to 21.

A few names who MAY be there that would be appealing include Hayes, Weddle, Hotton, Szybowski, Barnett, and Konstanty. It really depends on who pulls the trigger the night before. There's some handy half back types as well such as Cowan and Ryan that will be around the mark.

Weddle, Cowan, Darcy Jones and Ed Allan could be around the mark and it would be worth taking a chance of Brayden George who if we are patient with could be a genuine top 10 type steal. I like SA boys like Billy Dowling, Jakob Ryan or Jaiden Magor if we were to land Mattaes Phillipou at 11 to help him settle in but maybe they are still in play at 39.

Do we hand out bonus points for Naughton style mullets and Daniel style helmets with our recruitment?

[Mofra]

Re: 2022 Draft Watch

21 is a tricky one depending on how the first round plays out. Similarly, to our first pick where we're hoping one of the top 10 slips out ( ala Humphreys or Phillipou), I'm sure there's a few that we may be hoping slide to 21.

A few names who MAY be there that would be appealing include Hayes, Weddle, Hotton, Szybowski, Barnett, and Konstanty. It really depends on who pulls the trigger the night before. There's some handy half back types as well such as Cowan and Ryan that will be around the mark.

Some talk that Cowan slips after his combine results.
I guess our 21 will depend on pick 11, we'd be unlikley to take two players who play the same position.

We may trade back into the late teens as well using a future pick.

[bulldogtragic]

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Some talk that Cowan slips after his combine results.
I guess our 21 will depend on pick 11, we'd be unlikley to take two players who play the same position.

We may trade back into the late teens as well using a future pick.

What do you think of Clarke & Konstanty (Davey jnr if he doesn’t go FS)? Say we trade in for three top 21 picks, using two on small forwards.

It’s an area of need, and this type of players (good ones) can generally make an impact sooner. Some natural small forwards who are prepared to tackle, added to Weightman and Garcia, under the likes of Naughton, Lobb/English, Marra and Darcy changes the complexion of next years forward line if they could do like a Kozzy and play 14 games in s debut year. Allows JJ and VDM to perhaps be redeployed up the ground as both were half backs.

[GVGjr]

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Some talk that Cowan slips after his combine results.
I guess our 21 will depend on pick 11, we'd be unlikley to take two players who play the same position.

We may trade back into the late teens as well using a future pick.

Yes, he tested poorly. Right in the bottom bracket for sprints and very average in the other tests.
If clubs were hoping for a speedy back flanker he hasn't given them reasons to select him.

[Stevo]

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How much stock do the recruiters take in combine results? While you can't really be slow or unfit I would think some of the tests don't really help determine the draft order.

[SlimPickens]

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How much stock do the recruiters take in combine results? While you can't really be slow or unfit I would think some of the tests don't really help determine the draft order.

It depends on position played and the type of player. Doubt they're worried about speed and agility in a 6'10 ruckman, but if you're a lock down defender and as slow as treacle i'd say that goes against you.

[Stevo]

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It depends on position played and the type of player. Doubt they're worried about speed and agility in a 6'10 ruckman, but if you're a lock down defender and as slow as treacle i'd say that goes against you.

You could run a line through those who are really slow or unfit but I really doubt if a player is around the elite range for any particular test it makes that much difference for a player who is well above average. At some point the recruiter has to back his eye.
Good point that a ruck man will be compared to other ruck man.

Would these tests be more likely be used to talk a player out of being recruited or talk him into being recruited?
Id say we are keen to find reasons not to recruit someone.

[mjp]

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You could run a line through those who are really slow or unfit but I really doubt if a player is around the elite range for any particular test it makes that much difference for a player who is well above average. At some point the recruiter has to back his eye.
Good point that a ruck man will be compared to other ruck man.

Would these tests be more likely be used to talk a player out of being recruited or talk him into being recruited?

It's all just information right. Is it bad to run a 'slow' 20m sprint? Well...were there already concerns about your leg speed? Or do you never get run down on field? The recruiters aren't stupid...they just put a puzzle together. The 2km test is completely dumb but the rest of them do tend to apply to the game...

[Mofra]

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It depends on position played and the type of player. Doubt they're worried about speed and agility in a 6'10 ruckman, but if you're a lock down defender and as slow as treacle i'd say that goes against you.

It seems more of a confirmation/surprise factor. If either of those apply, they're relevant.
If there is no surprise, no opinions get changed.

Bont has a slow 20m sprint time. Does it matter? Well no as his positioning is outstanding and if his top speed is ok and meets the ball at pace it doesn't impact on his play.

[Mofra]

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What do you think of Clarke & Konstanty (Davey jnr if he doesn’t go FS)? Say we trade in for three top 21 picks, using two on small forwards.

It’s an area of need, and this type of players (good ones) can generally make an impact sooner. Some natural small forwards who are prepared to tackle, added to Weightman and Garcia, under the likes of Naughton, Lobb/English, Marra and Darcy changes the complexion of next years forward line if they could do like a Kozzy and play 14 games in s debut year. Allows JJ and VDM to perhaps be redeployed up the ground as both were half backs.

I wonder where we play them? We're going in with a 3 tall forward set up, Weightman is a lock, we'll play a pressure HFF was well (VDM/Garcia/West) and a resting mid.
I get the quality factor and if they're the two best available at the picks it would be hard to ignore, but if we're overlooking a positional need on a line-ball decision it doesn't make sense.

There's also the develop cost - if we can only play one at one time, will any advantage the second small forward has over a different player at the same pick be redundant?
This Crows have a bunch of small forwards which means 3 will be playing SANFL at any one time. That's a big chunk of redundant list space that is wasted.

[Stevo]

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It's all just information right. Is it bad to run a 'slow' 20m sprint? Well...were there already concerns about your leg speed? Or do you never get run down on field? The recruiters aren't stupid...they just put a puzzle together. The 2km test is completely dumb but the rest of them do tend to apply to the game...

Why did they get rid of the repeat sprint tests? Didn't that simulate going from one midfield contest to another and test the players ability to create separation?

[Mofra]

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Why did they get rid of the repeat sprint tests? Didn't that simulate going from one midfield contest to another and test the players ability to create separation?

Hypothetical - but if Alex Sexton was to test quick for repeat 20m sprints, would you trust him to pressure the opposition?
The guy thinks defence is just there to keep the crowd back.

I think the eyeball test is still pretty useful. Who cares if Jack Riewoldt tested slow? Nobody is taking the 'quicker' Andrejs Everitt over him now.

[Bornadog]

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Who cares if Jack Riewoldt tested slow? Nobody is taking the 'quicker' Andrejs Everitt over him now.

I count this as one of the biggest recruiting blunders we have made.

[Mofra]

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I count this as one of the biggest recruiting blunders we have made.

James Frawley went straight after our pick. Very few people rated Everitt a first round pick.
Although we shouldn't be too harsh considering most bulldog fans at the time were really hoping James Seller slipped to our pick.
Who? Exactly

You could almost argue the 2006 rookie draft was better than the 2006 national draft. Take out Tood Goldstein at pick 37 (!) and it's really really close.