Coronavirus Info & Helpful Direction

[boydogs]

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If we went spent as much money and effort on decreasing other types of deaths as we have on COVID, we'd see a greater return.

We haven't let it rip to see what it would look like

[boydogs]

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I'm not suggesting that Covid is just like the flu, but as a comparison Australia approx 700 flu deaths in 2019 so lets say 13 per week. As a base line, we should be comfortable with at least that number when opening up.

I don't think the death rate is the way to look at this. If you let it rip you're more likely to get more variants that evade immune response and vaccination, and are more contagious or deadly

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/u-s-race-against-time-new-coronavirus-variants-scientists-warn-n1255963

https://www.macleans.ca/society/science/covid-variants-vaccination-race/

[comrade]

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I don't think the death rate is the way to look at this. If you let it rip you're more likely to get more variants that evade immune response and vaccination, and are more contagious or deadly

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/u-s-race-against-time-new-coronavirus-variants-scientists-warn-n1255963

https://www.macleans.ca/society/scie...cination-race/

Of the current 133 cases in Vic, 16 of the cases in VIC have been partially vaccinated, 5 fully vaccinated. All of those are either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms.

This is what we should be aiming for. Once enough of the population is vaccinated, case numbers shouldn't be the focus. Outcomes should be as it is clear the vaccine is making the virus safe enough to live with for those that are vaccinated.

[Ghost Dog]

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”There’s talk around concerts and other things. In some countries [where large crowds have been allowed to various events in recent months, like the Euros] it wasn’t just vaccine passports, you had to have proof that you had an immunological response if you had a prior infection or a negative test,” Bennett said.

Article on what the future of AFL may crowds may look like.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-looks-at-overseas-vaccination-plans-for-crowds-20210721-p58bt9.html

So in US and Europe big events like our grand final can go ahead, but you need a vaccine in addition to proof of a response or a negative test at the gate. Probably 15 minutes before, as they are doing with travel.

[Twodogs]

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I can recall talking to my grandfather with his experiences of the great depression and WW2
Some other people had to experience the Vietnam war. You talk about impacts to MH and life then these were massive tests.

While CV19 has been a long drawn out inconvenience to millions of people in Australia and the biggest test for the country during my life I sort of count myself lucky that we didn't experience what the likes of the UK and US went through with CV19 and other countries did during wars and depressions.

I don't want to minimise the MH challenges this has presented to all of us because they are very real but we have stayed relatively safe and this is very much uncharted times for the country to navigate. Mistakes will be made and we have to accept that but the underlying focus on peoples health needs to be acknowledged.

I don't want to learn to live with the grim reaper, I want us to send him packing. It remains to be seen if this can happen.

Well said mate. Really well said.

[jeemak]

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Article from a Harvard epidemiologist who recently visited the UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/22/england-covid-response-uk-us-delta

[Murphy'sLore]

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My relatives in the UK are bloody terrified.

[Bornadog]

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Article from a Harvard epidemiologist who recently visited the UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...se-uk-us-delta

The only thing the UK has got right is rolling out the vaccine quickly, otherwise their approach has been deplorable.

Still getting 40,000 plus infections per day and have had almost 130,000 deaths.

[jeemak]

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The only thing the UK has got right is rolling out the vaccine quickly, otherwise their approach has been deplorable.

Still getting 40,000 plus infections per day and have had almost 130,000 deaths.

Think about it, more civilian deaths than in WW2.......a milestone breached six or seven months ago. Not sure how 75 years later that's an acceptable outcome.

[Grantysghost]

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Think about it, more civilian deaths than in WW2.......a milestone breached six or seven months ago. Not sure how 75 years later that's an acceptable outcome.

That government as many in parallel were completely unprepared and then made a series of bad decisions including determination of airborne status.

It came to light recently at a hearing how bad they thought it was via Bojo's senior advisor Dominic Cummings :

“I think we are absolutely *!*!*!*!ed. I think this country is heading for disaster. I think we’re going to kill thousands of people.” According to Dominic Cummings, those were the words spoken by the then deputy cabinet secretary Helen MacNamara on March 13 2020 when she realised that the UK had no plan for dealing with the unfolding COVID crisis.

Incredibly scary.

Now they've let it rip. The Netherlands did something similar in early July and have had to scale it back, their r0 was at 2.6.

Let's see where the UK are in four weeks, it will be an interesting case study.

By the way they do a million tests a day, fun fact I found amazing (don't know the breakdown).

Edit : Current NL r0 is 1.75.

[comrade]

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It's interesting to see the different approaches that countries are taking to overcome the virus. France are going down the vaccine passport route with proof needed to access public venues etc, but their president wants to expand it even further so passports are required to pretty much do anything in public (restaurants etc). That expansion is being debated in parliament at the moment but I imagine it'll be passed at some point.

[Grantysghost]

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It's interesting to see the different approaches that countries are taking to overcome the virus. France are going down the vaccine passport route with proof needed to access public venues etc, but their president wants to expand it even further so passports are required to pretty much do anything in public (restaurants etc). That expansion is being debated in parliament at the moment but I imagine it'll be passed at some point.

That is quite frightening, once those rules are in place they are hard to wind back fully. But I'm not sure what the answer is otherwise.

What happens if you can't be vaccinated for whatever reason?

[Bornadog]

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That is quite frightening, once those rules are in place they are hard to wind back fully. But I'm not sure what the answer is otherwise.

What happens if you can't be vaccinated for whatever reason?

On the one hand the anti vaxers may change their mind, however, there needs to be some acceptations for those that can't be vaccinated for legit reasons.

The AFL is also seriously thinking about this.

[jeemak]

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What I'm surprised about, and probably should have known better, is how much ideology has been allowed to come into the decision making process in sophisticated democracies.

I mean when I really think about it, it makes sense. But I'll be honest I actually figured there'd be a bit more uniformity in what the medical advice would be and how it would be followed across geographies. Though as we've seen that was silly, given what see state by state in Australia.......

[Grantysghost]

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What I'm surprised about, and probably should have known better, is how much ideology has been allowed to come into the decision making process in sophisticated democracies.

I mean when I really think about it, it makes sense. But I'll be honest I actually figured there'd be a bit more uniformity in what the medical advice would be and how it would be followed across geographies. Though as we've seen that was silly, given what see state by state in Australia.......

Yes I expected a uniformity and collegial approach not unlike natural disasters. I mean that's basically what it is. Floods, fires we come together and help each other as Australians. Maybe it's because we've done it before and have a plan. With this the policy is being created then immediately dissected in public in real time, and Governments find it hard to admit fault lest they lose sweet sweet voters. So they double down.