Coronavirus Info & Helpful Direction

[comrade]

Re: Coronavirus Info & Helpful Direction

And the game's changed a little given the new Delta variant. It's more infectious and a number I read quoted is that you're 1 in 35 of dying if you contract it.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/science/only-real-options-are-vaccination-or-risk-death-by-delta/news-story/8ade3ec715c5fdd88694534c2d251ecc

The risk of death from Covid-19 in Australia, in contrast, is one in 35. While the risk of death is highest in older age groups, we are now seeing serious illness and death in unvaccinated young patients.

Those stats need some context.

A comment on the article explains more:

The claim that the risk of death is 1 in 35 needs to explained better. In Australia the Case Fatality Rate(CFR) is 36 deaths per million / 1387 cases per million = 2.6% which is close to 1 in 35. However it was noted that risk higher for older age groups (conversely much lower for younger age groups).

The case fatality rate for those less than 50 is around 0.3% and actually much lower because actual number of infections is much higher than confirmed infections. Antigen studies in US have put actual number of infections 4 to 10 times higher and that factor considerably reduces crude death rate. Estimates of the infection death rate are around 0.35% (much higher for those in older age groups and much lower for lower age groups).

[hujsh]

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I've considered whether I should get AZ now rather than wait for pfizer (as an under 30s) but it's a difficult decision to make when you don't really know the risks or have a doctor you feel especially confident in to consult.

It really feels like, once again, the younger generations have been let down by the olders. Both in the sense that they've (to my knowledge) been very slow to take up pfizer and in the sense that the nation politicians have failed to meet their responsibilities.

I don't begrudge the priority access to older people and essential workers though. But it felt like there was no real campaign or strategy to get people vaccinated. If anything it felt like the job was done, hard work is over back to life as normal.

My girlfriend works in aged care and it seems like a large number of them weren't vaccinated until they were told they'd get a $50 voucher if they did so in the next 5 days. In hindsight a similar investment (targeted so centers aren't swamped) probably would have saved a lot of money.

Anyway that's my ramble

[jeemak]

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I thought it was the AZ the over 60s have shunned to an extent, wanting to wait for phizer.....

[Grantysghost]

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I think everyone has the right to choose of course whether they get vaccinated or not. I just implore people to look at the data before it's been corrupted by people with agendas. Whether it be media or politicians, the closer to the source the better.

I'm fully vaccinated with the Pfizer and was aware of the risks of some side effects like heart inflammation before I went in (I have a genetic heart issue so need to be careful) but had read enough to assure me the risk was minimal.

I work in science so I'm lucky to have access to peer reviewed papers and journals, but most people can access abstracts and some full papers through indexers like google scholar.

Of course studies aren't bullet proof, think the amazing benefits of Vitamins brought to you by Swisse for eg, however I've always found useful information from a variety of sources helps me personally make an informed decision.

Why let someone else translate the data for you? Its not as easy to consume I know but after some time you can get it

[Bulldog4life]

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I thought it was the AZ the over 60s have shunned to an extent, wanting to wait for phizer.....

I had AZ as I'm in the late 60's. My wife who is 13 years younger was given the phizer. Strangely she went 3 weeks between her first jab and second jab. I had to wait 3 months between jabs.

[Murphy'sLore]

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I had my first dose of Astra before they restricted it to over-60s. No ill effects at all and looking forward to getting my second dose next week.

[Bulldog4life]

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I had my first dose of Astra before they restricted it to over-60s. No ill effects at all and looking forward to getting my second dose next week.

How long between jabs Murph?

[Bornadog]

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I think everyone has the right to choose of course whether they get vaccinated or not.

This maynot be a popular post, but I think it should be mandatory to be vaccinated.

Failing that, there are going to be vaccination passports for travel, for working in many companies and for attending general entertainment etc, etc.

My issue is the same as with people who don't vaccinate their kids and rely on everyone else to be vaccinated so their little darling is protected that way.

[Grantysghost]

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This maynot be a popular post, but I think it should be mandatory to be vaccinated.

Failing that, there are going to be vaccination passports for travel, for working in many companies and for attending general entertainment etc, etc.

My issue is the same as with people who don't vaccinate their kids and rely on everyone else to be vaccinated so their little darling is protected that way.

It's a tough one, I agree with your points in this case however on the whole I feel as a society we must ensure we maintain the individual rights and freedoms that make a liberal democracy what it is. Forcing people to do things like this doesn't sit well with me. It's the best answer scientifically , but we lose something as a society I think.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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It's a tough one, I agree with your points in this case however on the whole I feel as a society we must ensure we maintain the individual rights and freedoms that make a liberal democracy what it is. Forcing people to do things like this doesn't sit well with me. It's the best answer scientifically , but we lose something as a society I think.

Exactly. Since when did Australia become a communist society? People want to lay blame at China and point the finger at how they manage their society, but right now - and with suggestions like making a vaccination mandatory - how is this country any different?

While we're at it, maybe we should just ban alcohol too.

I get the notion of BAD's post but it should be a choice, ESPECIALLY given the uncertainty - which nobody can argue with - around the vaccines.

[jeemak]

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Those stats need some context.

A comment on the article explains more:

Yes, for sure. So for those younger where it's estimated the rate is at its upper limits 0.3% is the ratio then about 1 in 333? If so, you trade that off against the 1 in 1,500,000 of getting a clot from AZ and it kind of puts the relative risk into perspective. Yes, the chances of dying from COVID for young people who contract it aren't huge, but you don't really want to get sick from COVID because even if you don't die you can have longer term complications.

[Murphy'sLore]

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How long between jabs Murph?

12 weeks.

[jeemak]

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Exactly. Since when did Australia become a communist society? People want to lay blame at China and point the finger at how they manage their society, but right now - and with suggestions like making a vaccination mandatory - how is this country any different?

While we're at it, maybe we should just ban alcohol too.

I get the notion of BAD's post but it should be a choice, ESPECIALLY given the uncertainty - which nobody can argue with - around the vaccines.

Whilst I understand the intent I'm not sure we can compare what we're currently going through to communism or living under a totalitarian dictatorship.

[Bulldog4life]

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12 weeks.

Thanks Murph. Same as me.

[comrade]

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Yes, for sure. So for those younger where it's estimated the rate is at its upper limits 0.3% is the ratio then about 1 in 333? If so, you trade that off against the 1 in 1,500,000 of getting a clot from AZ and it kind of puts the relative risk into perspective. Yes, the chances of dying from COVID for young people who contract it aren't huge, but you don't really want to get sick from COVID because even if you don't die you can have longer term complications.

That's IF you get covid.