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  • EasternWest
    Hall of Fame
    • Aug 2009
    • 10002

    Re: Father/Son Watch

    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
    No. We will need to trade them. Either:

    A. Both first together for a top 8 pick, perhaps GCS
    B. For young gun players

    Then use our last four picks to use draft points to get him super cheaply.
    I love how across this you are. Never leave us again.
    "It's over. It's all over."

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    • ledge
      Hall of Fame
      • Dec 2007
      • 14313

      Re: Father/Son Watch

      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
      Twomey on Croft:

      Twomey spoke of Jordan Croft, the son of former Western Bulldogs defender Matthew, who is a 201cm key position player and could add to the recent draft additions of Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and another father-son in Sam Darcy.

      ?He?s really exciting,? Twomey said of Croft Jnr.

      ?The thing I like about Jordan Croft is, yes he?s 201cm, but he?s really fleet-footed, he?s quick and agile, and you need to be that as a key forward in today?s game.

      ?He?s got a little bit of growth to go in terms of his body development. He?ll obviously get time to do that at the Dogs, it?s not going to be a rush to get him in.

      ?Amazing isn?t it. Three out of four years you have a 200cm player that you have first call on.?
      So his initial statement is he is a defender then he says he needs the stuff he has to be a forward ?
      Bring back the biff

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      • hujsh
        Hall of Fame
        • Nov 2007
        • 11842

        Re: Father/Son Watch

        Originally posted by ledge
        So his initial statement is he is a defender then he says he needs the stuff he has to be a forward ?
        Son of defender Matthew.

        the son of former Western Bulldogs defender Matthew, who is a 201cm key position player
        [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34289

          Re: Father/Son Watch

          Originally posted by bulldogtragic
          No. We will need to trade them. Either:

          A. Both first together for a top 8 pick, perhaps GCS
          B. For young gun players

          Then use our last four picks to use draft points to get him super cheaply.
          Just further, with some losses GCS have all but secured Pick 5. Lower on the ladder than expected a few weeks ago. Which is for sale. 1,878 DPs.

          We have about 2,300 DP?s in our first two picks. Which is pretty much straight swap territory if we do it.

          Option A. Pick 5 (hopefully a gun midfielder), Croft and late picks, Scott upgraded with a FA KPD like Himmelberg, maybe a F2 for a small forward either established like Schultz or younger like Lohmann. Hopefully not much if the Liam Henry rumour is true.

          Option B. Target a couple of young mids (Hollands, Flanders types, highly rated 21-22 year olds) and a FA KPD like Himmelberg and Croft and late picks, Scott upgraded and maybe a F2 for a small forward either established like Schultz or younger like Lohmann. Hopefully not much if the Liam Henry rumour is true.


          Any preference?

          A. Gun young mid draftee, gun young KPP draftee, established KPD, small forward and winger.

          B. Two highly rated and highly drafted young mids, gun young KPP draftee, established KPD, small forward and winger.
          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • bulldogsthru&thru
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • May 2011
            • 7698

            Re: Father/Son Watch

            How many gun mids are there in this draft? Aside from Reid aren't the other highly rated kids forwards/defenders?

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            • The Doctor
              Coaching Staff
              • Jan 2007
              • 3702

              Re: Father/Son Watch

              I can see us trading out both of our 1st round picks. Should we retain them both picks are likely to slide down the order quite a bit due to;

              Gold Coast having 3 Academy players likely to be chosen before our first pick

              North Melbourne could get a high pick if Ben McKay leaves due to free agency

              GWS could get a high pick if Himmelberg leaves due to free agency

              Hawthorn having a Father/Son (McCabe) who could get bid on before our 1st pick.

              so potentially we could slide down the order by 6 places to picks 20 + 22 if things stay as they currently are. This is without factoring in a Croft bid. We are not getting a gun midfielder like McKercher or Sanders that far down. So if you want to see who might be available at our picks you can check out Cal Twomey's July phantom draft and see who is left at picks 20 & 22. There is still a lot to play out and the draft order will change but it will give you a guide. I reckon our picks are on the trade table.
              Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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              • azabob
                Hall of Fame
                • Sep 2008
                • 15321

                Re: Father/Son Watch

                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                No. We will need to trade them. Either:

                A. Both first together for a top 8 pick, perhaps GCS
                B. For young gun players

                Then use our last four picks to use draft points to get him super cheaply.
                We've never been able to trade up, only ever split picks. Not sure why, but I don't think scenario A is likely and I'm not keen on scenario B either.
                More of an In Bruges guy?

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                • Hotdog60
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 5907

                  Re: Father/Son Watch

                  You could have 6 tall forwards with the proviso that they never drop marks.
                  Don't piss off old people
                  The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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                  • bulldogtragic
                    The List Manager
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 34289

                    Re: Father/Son Watch

                    Originally posted by The Doctor
                    I can see us trading out both of our 1st round picks. Should we retain them both picks are likely to slide down the order quite a bit due to;

                    Gold Coast having 3 Academy players likely to be chosen before our first pick

                    North Melbourne could get a high pick if Ben McKay leaves due to free agency

                    GWS could get a high pick if Himmelberg leaves due to free agency

                    Hawthorn having a Father/Son (McCabe) who could get bid on before our 1st pick.

                    so potentially we could slide down the order by 6 places to picks 20 + 22 if things stay as they currently are. This is without factoring in a Croft bid. We are not getting a gun midfielder like McKercher or Sanders that far down. So if you want to see who might be available at our picks you can check out Cal Twomey's July phantom draft and see who is left at picks 20 & 22. There is still a lot to play out and the draft order will change but it will give you a guide. I reckon our picks are on the trade table.
                    I’m interested in the calculus of Power. If Croft keeps rising, and compo and matched bids means the GCS pick 5 is at jeopardy from a bid (however unlikely) then the trade up the order is a risk still. By the time we know that as fact, it’s too late to enter trade talks behind other clubs. So we need to be active now. So having thought about it over night, I think the picks could well be used on players.

                    So the question is then, do we target a player worth two first rounders (last year Taranto) or two one first rounder players (last year Bruhn, Hopper)?

                    I think we need to bat a bit deeper, so I think two first rounder trades. I think GCS will move a couple on, so could Hollands or Flanders be a good target. Tarryn Thomas is his life is straight now (if). If we can’t get a free agent KPD, can we go buy one with a first too?

                    Then grab Croft and some kids and look at future picks on needs based cheaper trades on younger players like Henry or Schultz/Lohmann. Still with cash for a free agent if we can snag one worth it.

                    We could use our draft hand to trade for every need, with younger player in or about to hit their prime (no older top up Lobb, Bruce, Keath types), still take Croft first round and get some fresh kids.

                    So circling to the start, if we want get the GCS Pick 5 or see it as a risk still, then I think we are looking at player trades with the picks.
                    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34289

                      Re: Father/Son Watch

                      Originally posted by azabob
                      We've never been able to trade up, only ever split picks. Not sure why, but I don't think scenario A is likely and I'm not keen on scenario B either.
                      I posted at the same time. I think we could trade up because of GCS circumstances, but think I’m the club might not having reflected on it.

                      B could be great if we target the right types. 21-22 year old mids, say taken high in the draft who can come in (Hollands, Flanders etc) or maybe a seasoned quick goal kicking mid/winger like Thomas if his shit is together. And maybe a KPD. But not Lobb/Bruce/Keath types. Genuine good young talent in their prime ir about to be. You want young good mids so why not go buy one or two? Why an untried 18 year old, why not a 21 year old that could thrive at our club?
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • Mantis
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 15449

                        Re: Father/Son Watch

                        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                        Zero Hanger on Croft:

                        Jordan Croft (Western Bulldogs)
                        Son of: Matthew Croft (186 games for Footscray/Western Bulldogs)
                        Height: 200cm
                        Position: Key Forward
                        Club: Maribyrnong Park

                        The Bulldogs are already home to a plethora of tall options in their attack, with former top 10 draft picks Darcy, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Aaron Naughton already calling Whitten Oval home.

                        Croft is set to join that crop at the end of this year as the Dogs look to continue their rich history of attaining talented father-son selections. What Croft's arrival will mean for the likes of Darcy and Naughton remains to be seen, with the talented duo able to play in defence and are part of an already brimming group of tall forwards.

                        The Dogs are likely to be weighing up their assets for this year's trade period as well, with the Footscray-based club currently holding two first-round selections (their own and Brisbane's) and could have a bid land in the top 20 for Croft.

                        The teenager booted 14 goals in his last four games for the Calder Cannons prior to the National Championships, where he also had an impact for Vic Metro across three matches - culminating with a three-goal haul against South Australia.

                        Speaking on Zero Hanger TV, Alvaro said Croft has emerged as a top 15 prospect for this year's draft thanks to a strong start to his Talent League campaign and impressive National Championships carnival.

                        "With the Vic Metro rotation he only played three games, which was a bit bizarre to me, but he's definitely a top-15 prospect," Alvaro said.

                        "Should set the Bulldogs back a pretty penny, especially after they bid so highly on Jaspa Fletcher last year. That then might come back to bite them.

                        "But he's a great player. I love his aggression and athleticism, you can see him chasing down players, using his closing speed, and then hitting players hard. He attacks the ball in the air really nicely.

                        "We talk about upside, he's definitely got it. The way he moves, the way he attacks the ball and what he could be is really what you're looking at. He's one of those talls that's definitely in the first-round conversation."
                        I'm a little intrigued by this statement... why would a bid on Fletcher affect teams bidding on Croft?

                        Would think we have already paid maximum value on Darcy who was bid on before the best player in that draft, Daicos.

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                        • bulldogtragic
                          The List Manager
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 34289

                          Re: Father/Son Watch

                          Originally posted by Mantis
                          I'm a little intrigued by this statement... why would a bid on Fletcher affect teams bidding on Croft?

                          Would think we have already paid maximum value on Darcy who was bid on before the best player in that draft, Daicos.
                          Im flat out confused by it. I don’t see the connection.
                          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                          • Mofra
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 14954

                            Re: Father/Son Watch

                            Originally posted by Mantis
                            I'm a little intrigued by this statement... why would a bid on Fletcher affect teams bidding on Croft?

                            Would think we have already paid maximum value on Darcy who was bid on before the best player in that draft, Daicos.
                            It's a silly statement given Brisbane don't have a first rounder this year. It's ours from the Dunkley trade
                            Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                            • The Doctor
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 3702

                              Re: Father/Son Watch

                              Originally posted by Mantis
                              I'm a little intrigued by this statement... why would a bid on Fletcher affect teams bidding on Croft?

                              Would think we have already paid maximum value on Darcy who was bid on before the best player in that draft, Daicos.
                              I didn't get it either. The only team that would give a toss about that is Brisbane and we have their 1st pick. Makes no sense.
                              Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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                              • azabob
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 15321

                                Re: Father/Son Watch

                                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                                I posted at the same time. I think we could trade up because of GCS circumstances, but think I’m the club might not having reflected on it.

                                B could be great if we target the right types. 21-22 year old mids, say taken high in the draft who can come in (Hollands, Flanders etc) or maybe a seasoned quick goal kicking mid/winger like Thomas if his shit is together. And maybe a KPD. But not Lobb/Bruce/Keath types. Genuine good young talent in their prime ir about to be. You want young good mids so why not go buy one or two? Why an untried 18 year old, why not a 21 year old that could thrive at our club?
                                Would a 21 year old want to come to our club especially if Beveridge isn't keen on upsetting the midfield apple cart? This year especially it has been made very clear that Beveridge has a core group that attend centre bounces.

                                It will be extremely interesting how we handle the midfield transition of Treloar and Liberatore over the coming 24 months.

                                By drafting an 18 year old they can be eased in and in 2 years be ready for major midfield minutes. I'm unsure if a 21 year old would be willing to wait.

                                What has hurt more, Lobb on field or losing the draft capital given up for him?

                                There are so many outside factors at play not only off field but on field also.
                                More of an In Bruges guy?

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