Father/Son Watch

[EasternWest]

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No. We will need to trade them. Either:

A. Both first together for a top 8 pick, perhaps GCS
B. For young gun players

Then use our last four picks to use draft points to get him super cheaply.

I love how across this you are. Never leave us again.

[ledge]

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Twomey on Croft:

Twomey spoke of Jordan Croft, the son of former Western Bulldogs defender Matthew, who is a 201cm key position player and could add to the recent draft additions of Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and another father-son in Sam Darcy.

?He?s really exciting,? Twomey said of Croft Jnr.

?The thing I like about Jordan Croft is, yes he?s 201cm, but he?s really fleet-footed, he?s quick and agile, and you need to be that as a key forward in today?s game.

?He?s got a little bit of growth to go in terms of his body development. He?ll obviously get time to do that at the Dogs, it?s not going to be a rush to get him in.

?Amazing isn?t it. Three out of four years you have a 200cm player that you have first call on.?

So his initial statement is he is a defender then he says he needs the stuff he has to be a forward ?

[hujsh]

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So his initial statement is he is a defender then he says he needs the stuff he has to be a forward ?

Son of defender Matthew.

the son of former Western Bulldogs defender Matthew, who is a 201cm key position player

[bulldogtragic]

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No. We will need to trade them. Either:

A. Both first together for a top 8 pick, perhaps GCS
B. For young gun players

Then use our last four picks to use draft points to get him super cheaply.

Just further, with some losses GCS have all but secured Pick 5. Lower on the ladder than expected a few weeks ago. Which is for sale. 1,878 DPs.

We have about 2,300 DP?s in our first two picks. Which is pretty much straight swap territory if we do it.

Option A. Pick 5 (hopefully a gun midfielder), Croft and late picks, Scott upgraded with a FA KPD like Himmelberg, maybe a F2 for a small forward either established like Schultz or younger like Lohmann. Hopefully not much if the Liam Henry rumour is true.

Option B. Target a couple of young mids (Hollands, Flanders types, highly rated 21-22 year olds) and a FA KPD like Himmelberg and Croft and late picks, Scott upgraded and maybe a F2 for a small forward either established like Schultz or younger like Lohmann. Hopefully not much if the Liam Henry rumour is true.


Any preference?

A. Gun young mid draftee, gun young KPP draftee, established KPD, small forward and winger.

B. Two highly rated and highly drafted young mids, gun young KPP draftee, established KPD, small forward and winger.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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How many gun mids are there in this draft? Aside from Reid aren't the other highly rated kids forwards/defenders?

[The Doctor]

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I can see us trading out both of our 1st round picks. Should we retain them both picks are likely to slide down the order quite a bit due to;

Gold Coast having 3 Academy players likely to be chosen before our first pick

North Melbourne could get a high pick if Ben McKay leaves due to free agency

GWS could get a high pick if Himmelberg leaves due to free agency

Hawthorn having a Father/Son (McCabe) who could get bid on before our 1st pick.

so potentially we could slide down the order by 6 places to picks 20 + 22 if things stay as they currently are. This is without factoring in a Croft bid. We are not getting a gun midfielder like McKercher or Sanders that far down. So if you want to see who might be available at our picks you can check out Cal Twomey's July phantom draft and see who is left at picks 20 & 22. There is still a lot to play out and the draft order will change but it will give you a guide. I reckon our picks are on the trade table.

[azabob]

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No. We will need to trade them. Either:

A. Both first together for a top 8 pick, perhaps GCS
B. For young gun players

Then use our last four picks to use draft points to get him super cheaply.

We've never been able to trade up, only ever split picks. Not sure why, but I don't think scenario A is likely and I'm not keen on scenario B either.

[Hotdog60]

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You could have 6 tall forwards with the proviso that they never drop marks.

[bulldogtragic]

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I can see us trading out both of our 1st round picks. Should we retain them both picks are likely to slide down the order quite a bit due to;

Gold Coast having 3 Academy players likely to be chosen before our first pick

North Melbourne could get a high pick if Ben McKay leaves due to free agency

GWS could get a high pick if Himmelberg leaves due to free agency

Hawthorn having a Father/Son (McCabe) who could get bid on before our 1st pick.

so potentially we could slide down the order by 6 places to picks 20 + 22 if things stay as they currently are. This is without factoring in a Croft bid. We are not getting a gun midfielder like McKercher or Sanders that far down. So if you want to see who might be available at our picks you can check out Cal Twomey's July phantom draft and see who is left at picks 20 & 22. There is still a lot to play out and the draft order will change but it will give you a guide. I reckon our picks are on the trade table.

I’m interested in the calculus of Power. If Croft keeps rising, and compo and matched bids means the GCS pick 5 is at jeopardy from a bid (however unlikely) then the trade up the order is a risk still. By the time we know that as fact, it’s too late to enter trade talks behind other clubs. So we need to be active now. So having thought about it over night, I think the picks could well be used on players.

So the question is then, do we target a player worth two first rounders (last year Taranto) or two one first rounder players (last year Bruhn, Hopper)?

I think we need to bat a bit deeper, so I think two first rounder trades. I think GCS will move a couple on, so could Hollands or Flanders be a good target. Tarryn Thomas is his life is straight now (if). If we can’t get a free agent KPD, can we go buy one with a first too?

Then grab Croft and some kids and look at future picks on needs based cheaper trades on younger players like Henry or Schultz/Lohmann. Still with cash for a free agent if we can snag one worth it.

We could use our draft hand to trade for every need, with younger player in or about to hit their prime (no older top up Lobb, Bruce, Keath types), still take Croft first round and get some fresh kids.

So circling to the start, if we want get the GCS Pick 5 or see it as a risk still, then I think we are looking at player trades with the picks.

[bulldogtragic]

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We've never been able to trade up, only ever split picks. Not sure why, but I don't think scenario A is likely and I'm not keen on scenario B either.

I posted at the same time. I think we could trade up because of GCS circumstances, but think I’m the club might not having reflected on it.

B could be great if we target the right types. 21-22 year old mids, say taken high in the draft who can come in (Hollands, Flanders etc) or maybe a seasoned quick goal kicking mid/winger like Thomas if his shit is together. And maybe a KPD. But not Lobb/Bruce/Keath types. Genuine good young talent in their prime ir about to be. You want young good mids so why not go buy one or two? Why an untried 18 year old, why not a 21 year old that could thrive at our club?

[Mantis]

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Zero Hanger on Croft:

Jordan Croft (Western Bulldogs)
Son of: Matthew Croft (186 games for Footscray/Western Bulldogs)
Height: 200cm
Position: Key Forward
Club: Maribyrnong Park

The Bulldogs are already home to a plethora of tall options in their attack, with former top 10 draft picks Darcy, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Aaron Naughton already calling Whitten Oval home.

Croft is set to join that crop at the end of this year as the Dogs look to continue their rich history of attaining talented father-son selections. What Croft's arrival will mean for the likes of Darcy and Naughton remains to be seen, with the talented duo able to play in defence and are part of an already brimming group of tall forwards.

The Dogs are likely to be weighing up their assets for this year's trade period as well, with the Footscray-based club currently holding two first-round selections (their own and Brisbane's) and could have a bid land in the top 20 for Croft.

The teenager booted 14 goals in his last four games for the Calder Cannons prior to the National Championships, where he also had an impact for Vic Metro across three matches - culminating with a three-goal haul against South Australia.

Speaking on Zero Hanger TV, Alvaro said Croft has emerged as a top 15 prospect for this year's draft thanks to a strong start to his Talent League campaign and impressive National Championships carnival.

"With the Vic Metro rotation he only played three games, which was a bit bizarre to me, but he's definitely a top-15 prospect," Alvaro said.

"Should set the Bulldogs back a pretty penny, especially after they bid so highly on Jaspa Fletcher last year. That then might come back to bite them.

"But he's a great player. I love his aggression and athleticism, you can see him chasing down players, using his closing speed, and then hitting players hard. He attacks the ball in the air really nicely.

"We talk about upside, he's definitely got it. The way he moves, the way he attacks the ball and what he could be is really what you're looking at. He's one of those talls that's definitely in the first-round conversation."

I'm a little intrigued by this statement... why would a bid on Fletcher affect teams bidding on Croft?

Would think we have already paid maximum value on Darcy who was bid on before the best player in that draft, Daicos.

[bulldogtragic]

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I'm a little intrigued by this statement... why would a bid on Fletcher affect teams bidding on Croft?

Would think we have already paid maximum value on Darcy who was bid on before the best player in that draft, Daicos.

Im flat out confused by it. I don’t see the connection.

[Mofra]

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I'm a little intrigued by this statement... why would a bid on Fletcher affect teams bidding on Croft?

Would think we have already paid maximum value on Darcy who was bid on before the best player in that draft, Daicos.

It's a silly statement given Brisbane don't have a first rounder this year. It's ours from the Dunkley trade

[The Doctor]

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I'm a little intrigued by this statement... why would a bid on Fletcher affect teams bidding on Croft?

Would think we have already paid maximum value on Darcy who was bid on before the best player in that draft, Daicos.

I didn't get it either. The only team that would give a toss about that is Brisbane and we have their 1st pick. Makes no sense.

[azabob]

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I posted at the same time. I think we could trade up because of GCS circumstances, but think I’m the club might not having reflected on it.

B could be great if we target the right types. 21-22 year old mids, say taken high in the draft who can come in (Hollands, Flanders etc) or maybe a seasoned quick goal kicking mid/winger like Thomas if his shit is together. And maybe a KPD. But not Lobb/Bruce/Keath types. Genuine good young talent in their prime ir about to be. You want young good mids so why not go buy one or two? Why an untried 18 year old, why not a 21 year old that could thrive at our club?

Would a 21 year old want to come to our club especially if Beveridge isn't keen on upsetting the midfield apple cart? This year especially it has been made very clear that Beveridge has a core group that attend centre bounces.

It will be extremely interesting how we handle the midfield transition of Treloar and Liberatore over the coming 24 months.

By drafting an 18 year old they can be eased in and in 2 years be ready for major midfield minutes. I'm unsure if a 21 year old would be willing to wait.

What has hurt more, Lobb on field or losing the draft capital given up for him?

There are so many outside factors at play not only off field but on field also.