Father/Son Watch

[bulldogtragic]

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Which is used up on Croft. I don’t think that is in the best interests of our List management strategy.

At this point, I don’t see Croft going at say Pick 6. It may change, but the aim is to trade up ahead of a bid. Then take two elite kids.

[Grantysghost]

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Which is used up on Croft. I don’t think that is in the best interests of our List management strategy.

Yes I'm concerned about this too.

Ageing midfield with no one coming through.

[bulldogtragic]

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Yes I'm concerned about this too.

Ageing midfield with no one coming through.

If not getting ahead of the bid, then off the top of my head, then trade the firsts out. Something like Rayner & Lohmann & 22 (tied to GWS) for both our firsts.

Then use 22 & 34 equal to about Pick 5 or 6 to secure Croft.

Get a former #1, #20 and Croft in the top 10-15. All in the right age profile for a rebuild.

It’s not that bad a problem to solve.

Doesn’t need to be these specific players, but trading them out for high end quality and points back.

[Mofra]

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Which is used up on Croft. I don?t think that is in the best interests of our List management strategy.

"Ahead of a bid" means we get a draft pick before anyone else bids on Croft.

[bulldogtragic]

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So to ease some worry:

A) Trade ahead of the Croft bid, through GCS
B) Just burn through our natural first with the discount, use the second First Rounder
C) Trade for top end talent and later picks with both first rounders, to secure Croft and traded young guns
D) Do a combo, and live trade future picks, to get back in top end this year
E) A/some players leave for ok pick/s and we get active in points trading
F) Find mutual high needs points trading partners and help each other out with mutually beneficial points trades - GCS for this year, Brisbane for next
G) Smart live trading

It?s really not a bad problem to have.

[bulldogtragic]

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"Ahead of a bid" means we get a draft pick before anyone else bids on Croft.

Exactly. We can deal with Croft going top 5 when he’s clearly going top 5. But I’d bet GCS pick gets us ahead and then we walk out with two top 10-15 kids and hopefully Lohmann too. That’s a very good start to improving the list.

[Grantysghost]

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So to ease some worry:

A) Trade ahead of the Croft bid, through GCS
B) Just burn through our natural first with the discount, use the second First Rounder
C) Trade for top end talent and later picks with both first rounders, to secure Croft and traded young guns
D) Do a combo, and live trade future picks, to get back in top end this year
E) A/some players leave for ok pick/s and we get active in points trading
F) Find mutual high needs points trading partners and help each other out with mutually beneficial points trades - GCS for this year, Brisbane for next
G) Smart live trading

It?s really not a bad problem to have.

Did you see the purported float of salary cap trades or the like?

https://www.afl.com.au/news/941090/take-your-pick-scott-backs-calls-for-new-trading-mechanism

Cap space as a tradable commodity. Interesting concept.

[Mofra]

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Exactly. We can deal with Croft going top 5 when he’s clearly going top 5. But I’d bet GCS pick gets us ahead and then we walk out with two top 10-15 kids and hopefully Lohmann too. That’s a very good start to improving the list.

I do worry about that '6th forward' spot - McNeill and Garcia may not be the answer, and Lohmann solves the problem of shoe-horning a small former mid into the role.
By all accounts, Hawks are going the hardest at him though and have truckloads of cap to spend.

Our record with third rounders is pretty good though - Dale and Williams and CD some of our better players this year

[bulldogtragic]

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Did you see the purported float of salary cap trades or the like?

https://www.afl.com.au/news/941090/take-your-pick-scott-backs-calls-for-new-trading-mechanism

Cap space as a tradable commodity. Interesting concept.

Would need to see the fine print. Interesting but potentially dangerous too.

[bulldogtragic]

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I do worry about that '6th forward' spot - McNeill and Garcia may not be the answer, and Lohmann solves the problem of shoe-horning a small former mid into the role.
By all accounts, Hawks are going the hardest at him though and have truckloads of cap to spend.

Our record with third rounders is pretty good though - Dale and Williams and CD some of our better players this year

Then we need to offer more. I think Lohmann is the finishing touch to our forward line.

[GVGjr]

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Where do you think Croft will be taken V our draft position points wise. I fear our picks will be chewed up and we will only have a late second rounder onwards to play with.

IMO we can?t afford to sit out another draft we just don?t have the young talent coming through for that scenario

Okay, I probably have a bit of a different view on Croft than most.
Typically tall skinny forwards don't get taken earlier in drafts and particularly strong drafts like this years should be.
I see him as a Todd Marshall type and therefore to me he is more of a late first round pick than a top 10 pick.

I see this as an easy option to get ahead of that range of a potential pick and then chew up multiple later selections to cover when the bid comes.

I researched some of the recent drafts to come to that conclusion. To me he's not in the same league as the likes of Max/Ben King or Sam Darcy/Jamarra Ugle-Hagan so a bid will come somewhere around pick 15.

[Mofra]

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I researched some of the recent drafts to come to that conclusion. To me he's not in the same league as the likes of Max/Ben King or Sam Darcy/Jamarra Ugle-Hagan so a bid will come somewhere around pick 15.

He's not even the best 'off-limits' KPF in this years' draft (Jed Walter tied to the Suns just carved it up in the Allies vs SA game)

[FrediKanoute]

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Not sure I?d be on board with dropping another top ten pick or equivalent points on a key forward.

We need more midfield youth coming through.

Hence why we should never have taken BUss last year.

[Grantysghost]

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Hence why we should never have taken BUss last year.

You might be onto something

The only guy I'd think about swapping for is Weddle.

[Axe Man]

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Hence why we should never have taken BUss last year.

Why? Our key defenders outside Gardner are ancient. Key position players generally take longer to get up to speed than midfielders too. Assuming Busslinger becomes a player I feel it was a well timed selection that should bear fruit in another year or 2 (or 3).

We definitely need to get some more talented midfielders to the club though, hopefully starting at this years draft.