2021 Rolling List Management Discussion

[DOG GOD]

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Hawthorn friends texting and DMing me thanking us for taking O'Brien.

I haven't seen a lot of him, I'm not going to shit all over it, I'm sceptical and have very little expectations of what he'll bring. I shat all over the Dureya signing a few years back, maybe I should do the same and it'll turn out great.

Same. I received a few messages too, but had Ceglar mentioned as well with about 10 laughing emojis.

[jazzadogs]

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Same. I received a few messages too, but had Ceglar mentioned as well with about 10 laughing emojis.

The Hawthorn supporters laughing about O'Brien and Ceglar should consider that they have played in poor teams for the last 4-5 years - put them in a good side with a good system, and I'm sure they will use their tools to become better players.

AFL StatsPro is a good resource if you want to watch individualised clips of certain players - pick any game from the past couple of years and you get a clip of all their moments from within a game. An example of Jon Ceglar https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-p...D_M20210142306

[bulldogtragic]

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Looks like a huge line of clubs not wanting to stuff up Free Agency Compo

Richmond has Chol - wound back if Tarrant obtained as a FA
North has Tarrant - wound back if Wallis takes any offer their
Dogs have Wallis - wound back if O’Brien

So Tarrant goes in CCJ deal as a trade. Richmond happy.
North get CCJ a bit cheaper, and Wallis free. North happy.
Hawks get 3rd round compo. Hawks happy.

Dogs though lose Wallis, get O’Brien. Need to work here.

So we lose about pick 60 from Wallis. If Ceglar is a real thing, then a Future 4th Rounder factoring in our loss of Pick 60.

FA option: Hawks TOB & Ceglar Pick 46, Future 4th (Dogs no picks)
Trade option: Dogs keep Pick 60, trade for O’Brien & Ceglar

I’d say stick to Free Agency, lose the Wallis compo, but negotiate that loss into a lower price on Ceglar of a 2022 Fourth Rounder. Two non elite players for Pick 46 & Future 4th is still a good deal for them and cheap enough that Wallis compo can be forgotten about. Assuming to the silence on Wallis is this conga line of Free Agents mucking around compo.

[macca]

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The Hawthorn supporters laughing about O'Brien and Ceglar should consider that they have played in poor teams for the last 4-5 years - put them in a good side with a good system, and I'm sure they will use their tools to become better players.

AFL StatsPro is a good resource if you want to watch individualised clips of certain players - pick any game from the past couple of years and you get a clip of all their moments from within a game. An example of Jon Ceglar https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-p...D_M20210142306

Not sold on this O’Brien pickup but his a mature body from a team with a good system .

Feedback from hawks support friend is :

The amount of times he gets hands to the ball and drops the mark is infuriating. I was furious that Clarkson played him. He averaged maybe 8 or 9 touches a game.
Realistically, he's a back up 3rd tall for you at either end of the ground. Can't play on any big guys, very skinny.


GArdner came good . Maybe O’Brien. Could too . I can only hope

[bulldogtragic]

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I’m looking at Richmond for a points trade after they take 40 & Tarrant for CCJ.

Rich: 38, 40 & 42
Dogs: 23, 45

Nets us 111 Extra Draft Points. They get yet another Top 25 Pick

That takes us to 1,651 Draft Points

Lippa for Pick 46 = 331 - 1,982 Draft Points

Pick 3 is 1,787 Points Needed (+205)
Pick 2 is 2,014 Points Needed (-32)
Pick 1 is 2,400 Points Needed (-418)

So only a meaningful deficit at Pick 1. Which is unlikely. We should be fine at Pick 2 even as a 32 DP Deficit won’t change our 2022 First Rounder.

Picks 5: 38, 40, 42, 44, 46 Lippa — Young Future Pick — Wallis forgone compo with O’Brien but built into Ceglar cheaper with future pick from Carlton or us.

7 List Spots Needed (5 Picks, 2 Players): Lippa, Young, Wallis, Jong, Martin (rookie draft?), Re-Open Two Primary List Spots back up

Rookie List: Shrinks by two spots, Hayes & Cavarra. Remaining rookies Smith, Gardner, McNeil & Sweet promoted if required between the ND & RD. Buku stays Cat B.

Ins: O’Brien, Ceglar, Darcy, 4 draftees/rookie upgrades with Priority Access on Raak (or Cat B) & MacPherson (or Cat A)
Rookie: Martin

2022 Picks: In Tact

[Dry Rot]

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Wallis? Is he leaving?

[bulldogtragic]

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Wallis? Is he leaving?

Don’t know. He hasn’t accepted the contract we offered a while back. At this point of the FA window it’s a strong suspicion.

[Bornadog]

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Wallis? Is he leaving?

Don’t know. He hasn’t accepted the contract we offered a while back. At this point of the FA window it’s a strong suspicion.

Apparently was meeting with Bevo this week to sort things out

[bulldogtragic]

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Apparently was meeting with Bevo this week to sort things out

Nothing to sort out. I love him and his dad. If he stays he’s a VFL player. He deserves to go out playing good footy at a club with a need for him. His leadership in a group like North could advance them greatly. I think it’s best for him to go, it doesn’t help us at all really, but I think he should take an opportunity if it’s being presented elsewhere.

[FrediKanoute]

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Apparently was meeting with Bevo this week to sort things out

Will be a short meeting:

Wally - am I going to play if I sign for 1 year?

Bevo - no

Wally - thanks for the honesty and memories

[Mofra]

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I know there is a long time left in trade period but the lack of available ruck options left is surely a concern.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Will be a short meeting:

Wally - am I going to play if I sign for 1 year?

Bevo - no

Wally - thanks for the honesty and memories

I wouldnt be surprised to see him take it, doesnt seem like there will be a lot of options for fringe players

[Bornadog]

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We now hold selections 23, 44, 45, 52 and 93

Out: Jong, Young

In: O'Brien.

Still need to delist two

(am I missing someone?)

[The Adelaide Connection]

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We now hold selections 23, 44, 45, 52 and 93

Wouldn’t it be great if Sam Power is able to turn 23 into a few more picks with a few extra hundred extra points.

[westdog54]

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We now hold selections 23, 44, 45, 52 and 93

Out: Jong, Young

In: O'Brien.

Still need to delist two

(am I missing someone?)

Wallis yet to make a decision. He could be another.

Hayes and Cavarra to be delisted?