2024 Draft Watch

[GVGjr]

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It should be malpractice to NOT bid on Ashcroft.

Just bid on him and make Brisbane pay the price.

For shit's sake - it's a COMPETITION. Make them pay every point possible...and if 'it doesn't matter' it will still be annoying...so annoy them.

If any club rates him from picks 1 to 3 then that where they should bid on him. Same for Marshall at whatever pick a club has him on their draft order.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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It should be malpractice to NOT bid on Ashcroft.

Just bid on him and make Brisbane pay the price.

For shit's sake - it's a COMPETITION. Make them pay every point possible...and if 'it doesn't matter' it will still be annoying...so annoy them.

The comp did it to us with JUH and to a lesser degree Darcy, so why wouldn't we? Ultimately those extra points Brisbane cough up could mean they slide down and we better our position in this draft or next.

[Jasper]

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I'm not going to try and do a Phantom draft but this is what I hope are under consideration for our selections

Pick 17
Joe Berry - It's a little hard to see him as still available with our first pick but some drafts have him around the mark.
He's had an excellent season as a small forward and just seems to find a way to keep the scoreboard ticking over. Berry possess a and easy and accurate kicking motion and was even used in the midfield at times during the National Championships. The added bonus is that as a forward he is more than capable of applying plenty of defensive efforts even when he doesn't have the footy.
He didn't test at the combine but he is regarded as quick and agile.

Oliver Hannaford - Fancy a player who didn't get an invite to the National Draft Combine being considered with an early pick but Hannaford certainly deserves to be in the selection mix. He played all over the ground this year and performed well as a defender, midfielder and small forward. He put in a standout performance if the U18 GF and must be around the mark for us with our first couple of selections. At the State Combine his agility of 7.92 and a sub 3sec in the 20mtrs underlines his pace and he topped it off with an impressive 86cm running vertical jump.

Hamish Davis - He's not getting a lot of mentions in many phantom drafts in this draft range but is likely to move up the draft order as we get closer to the draft day. Davis is a 190cm hard working forward/midfielder combo who's a good mark and possesses good kicking skills. He's performed well in big games which is an important trait and he was also noticeable in senior WAFL games.
At the Combine he turned in an excellent 6.18mins in the 2KM test.

Pick 25
If any of the players above are still available we should of course select them.
Others for consideration:

Harrison Oliver - A damaging and rebounding defender Oliver has a terrific ability to move between being a lockdown 1 v 1 defender to someone who is capable of providing a lot of run out of the back line, Despite having a high footy IQ it's his kicking skills that really stand out. He should be given serious consideration with our first selection as well. With many of the teams now employing multiple smaller forward this 180cm defender should be in high demand.
Oliver didn't test at the combine but is athletic and quick.

Christian Moraes - A midfielder/forward combo who's performed well again in 24 but perhaps not quite at the expected level.
Kicks goals and is a bit of a burst player. He played for the Hawks in the VFL and I suspect we can't wait until the next selection if we are keen on him. When he gets on a run he can really impact games.
He tested at the combine and performed well.

Matt Whitlock - Versatile tall who's played mainly as a defender but also up forward and even in the ruck. It might seem like we don't need to target another tall but we know they take time to develop. Whitlock is strong intercept mark and very mobile.
Solid results at the Combine and he has a great leap.

Pick 35
Jasper Alger - Dynamic small forward who is good at the ground level but is also a strong mark.
A gifted athlete who tested well for pace, agility and endurance. If we are still looking for a small forward Alger is someone we should consider.

Lachlan Jaques
A real dashing and versatile defender and someone who would provide a lot of run for us in the back line. A nice kick and athletic Jacques is both competitive in the air and when it's on the ground.

Angus Clarke
Another dashing defender who just does everything right. He's a neat kick, has plenty of pace and is more than decent in the air.
Clarke is capable of playing in some other positions as well.

Other names in the mix for later in the draft would be
Nathaniel Sulzberger, Will Hayes, Hugh Boxshall, Jack Ough, and Floyd Burmeister

After a bit of research I see you have nominated 3 Claremont boys with your suggestions. Is this a bit out of the norm?

[mjp]

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After a bit of research I see you have nominated 3 Claremont boys with your suggestions. Is this a bit out of the norm?

11x Claremont boys in the WA side this year...they have played in the WAFL Colts Grand Final on average every 2-years since 1979.

2024 - Premiers
2023 - Premiers
2022 - Runners Up
etc.

They have a very talented and prolific zone.

[GVGjr]

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After a bit of research I see you have nominated 3 Claremont boys with your suggestions. Is this a bit out of the norm?

Drafting should be about selecting the best players but given the position we are in means we are a bit out of the range for the top 15. I've tried to look for talented players with their footy skills but who also have some athletic traits that might appeal.
Being versatile adds a bit as well.

The 3 Claremont boys all offer footy skills, versatility and an athletic profile
Davis is a good size at 190cm and ran an impressive 6.18 for the 2km
Hayes is exceptionally quick and agile and recorded a 7.85 in agility testing (that's a great time) and 6.16 for the 2km.
Boxshall is a 188cm midfielder who had some big games for Claremont and WA and his state testing was superb right across the board.
He recorded a 2km run of 6.08 which is excellent, a sub 3sec in the agility test and an 86cm in the running virtual jump.

We've seen too many players struggle due to a lack of pace to ignore their athleticism so where possible I like to factor that in.
We also don't appear to have enough run and carry and athleticism in our playing list so a lot of the players I mentioned can address that.

Doc's excellent summary posed a question about Ajang Kuol Mun potentially being a ruckman we might want to have a look at so I checked his combine results. He has a massive running vertical jump and for a 202cm player his 5,10 and 20mtr sprint times were pretty good but then having a look at his 2km run it was 8.44. That's not a reason to overlook him but something a club would need to consider if they can get some improvement there. Rucks need to be able to cover the ground and make contests.

Trying to balance the footy skills and IQ with the athleticism required at the senior level is something that the recruiters might focus on.

[jeemak]

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Thanks for all the effort, appreciate being able to tap into this.

[Grantysghost]

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11x Claremont boys in the WA side this year...they have played in the WAFL Colts Grand Final on average every 2-years since 1979.

2024 - Premiers
2023 - Premiers
2022 - Runners Up
etc.

They have a very talented and prolific zone.

And a great jumper. The yellow insignia really works against the dark body.

[Dogs 24/7]

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...he's coming off an ACL.

3rd round.

The risk is just too great. We could take a longer term view at pick 35 couldn't we?

[Axe Man]

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WHERE THE BIDS ARE SET TO COME

Reigning premier Brisbane is set to avoid paying top dollar for father-son gun Levi Ashcroft, with Richmond looking increasingly unlikely to place a bid on the midfielder at No. 1 in this month?s national draft.

If North Melbourne keeps hold of pick 2, a bid on Ashcroft may be left to Carlton at pick 3 ? saving the Lions a significant number of draft points.

Brisbane would have to stump up 2,400 points (after a 20 per cent discount) to match a bid on Ashcroft at pick 1, but a bid at pick 3 would only cost it 1787 points.

It could be the difference between heading into next year with a points deficit or not, given the Lions will also need to match a bid on Academy member Sam Marshall around pick 20.

Clubs expect two other bids to be placed on Academy members within the top-10 selections on draft night, with St Kilda favoured to bid on Gold Coast Suns Academy member Leo Lombard with one of its first two selections.

The Saints (picks 7 and 8) and Melbourne (pick 9) have also been linked to placing an early bid on Essendon Next Generation Academy (NGA) member Isaac Kako.

Carlton will be sweating on whether a bid comes for father-son Ben Camporeale before its second selection at No. 38, with recruiters having the South Australian midfielder either just before or just after that pick on their draft boards.

Twin brother Lucas is expected to come into play later in the order.

St Kilda NGA member Adrian Cole is considered likely to attract a bid in the late 30s or early 40s, after St Kilda?s third selection which currently stands at No. 32.

Giants Academy ruckman Logan Smith is also set to come into calculations at that range, with a bid in the 30s considered a good chance.

Some clubs believe Sydney Swans Academy defender Joel Cochran could attract a bid anywhere from pick 25 onwards, with one scout saying the Swans had done ?a good job of hiding him away?.

Cochran won the 2km time trial at the national draft combine last month.

Another St Kilda NGA member, defender Lennox Hofmann, is expected to receive a bid later in the draft, while Hawthorn NGA midfielder Cody Anderson is also said to have ?lots of fans? from about pick 45 onwards.

Adelaide father-son prospect Tyler Welsh has attracted little interest, despite scouts recognising the marking forward?s potential.

The Crows are therefore likely to be able to secure Welsh ? the son of former Adelaide goalkicker Scott ? with their second and final pick in the draft, which currently sits at No. 64.

North Melbourne should be able to secure River Stevens ? the son of two-time premiership player Anthony ? as a rookie.

PICK SWAP WINDOW COMING TO A CLOSE

Clubs are poised to take their current draft hands into November 20 as the pick swap window comes to a close.

The trading window opened immediately after the trade period but closes at 5pm Friday.

Trades are then unable to be completed until draft night.

No deals have yet been done during the window, despite some discussions which have largely centred around North Melbourne?s pick 2.

That selection has been shopped around to Richmond, while Adelaide has also engaged in talks with the Kangaroos about trading pick 4 to jump a couple of spots up the board.

North Melbourne has been strongly linked to Gippsland Power bolter Alix Tauru at pick 2, but could likely still secure him if it slides back a few spots in the order.

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[jazzadogs]

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If North Melbourne keeps hold of pick 2, a bid on Ashcroft may be left to Carlton at pick 3 ?

Why? What do norf possibly have to gain from this? Infuriating.

[Axe Man]

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If North Melbourne keeps hold of pick 2, a bid on Ashcroft may be left to Carlton at pick 3 ?

Why? What do norf possibly have to gain from this? Infuriating.

Yeah, makes no sense. I can understand why teams might not want to give away the prestige of the number 1 draft pick like Adelaide did to us for Jamarra, but there is zero downside in bidding at pick 2.

[GVGjr]

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The risk is just too great. We could take a longer term view at pick 35 couldn't we?

Recruiting is very much a risk reward play. Contending teams might baulk at a player like Hotton.
For as team like Richmond it might be more about where to select him. I don't think he gets past the first round but there is an increased risk.

[The Underdog]

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Yeah, makes no sense. I can understand why teams might not want to give away the prestige of the number 1 draft pick like Adelaide did to us for Jamarra, but there is zero downside in bidding at pick 2.

What if they accidentally end up with a really talented midfielder though?

[Happy Days]

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Remember when North didn?t bid on Daicos or Darcy because they wanted to let JHF know he was Their Guy and the best player in the draft, and then he left after 12 months anyway? Yeah neither do North apparently.

[azabob]

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An example of the Hotton pick going badly is Brayden George at North.

He was considered a "steal" at pick 26 and slid because he was recovering from an ACL

Unfortunately for George he did another ACL in the vfl during 2024.

North could afford to take the risk, not sure we can.