Early Trade Rumours 2023

[bulldogtragic]

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Hypothetically, three thirds could be around 850-900 draft points.

That?s around an early 20?s pick.

I assume we will sell the deal as the F1 = an early 20?s pick.

We are really backing ourselves to finish top 4. I.e. Pick 15-18. If we fall down the ladder next year, this could look crazy.

[Sedat]

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Wow. Our blind confidence in finishing top 4 is going to see us make further poor decisions that will cripple our future.

If the club doesn't have utmost faith in their own internal metrics to be in contention right now, we may as well shut the place down. The club should be disgusted with 2022-2023 being so far off their own internal expectations, and I would personally be more alarmed if they were expecting to continue treading water or descending down the ladder and making safe list management decisions accordingly.

The club should be thinking top 4/premiership in 2024 and planning/acting accordingly. I won't have a go at the club for not being bold enough off-season for 2022-2023 and then for being too bold for 2024.

[hujsh]

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Hypothetically, three thirds could be around 850-900 draft points.

That?s around an early 20?s pick.

I assume we will sell the deal as the F1 = an early 20?s pick.

We are really backing ourselves to finish top 4. I.e. Pick 15-18. If we fall down the ladder next year, this could look crazy.

One of the 3rds is future pick. Do points matter to us next year? Hard to really buy into the point value when we don't have a high end player we need to match a bid for.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Hypothetically, three thirds could be around 850-900 draft points.

That?s around an early 20?s pick.

I assume we will sell the deal as the F1 = an early 20?s pick.

We are really backing ourselves to finish top 4. I.e. Pick 15-18. If we fall down the ladder next year, this could look crazy.

Which is fine if next year's F1 is being eaten up by a father son. But it's not. I'd much prefer to draft 1 x first rounder than 3 3rd rounders.

[bulldogtragic]

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One of the 3rds is future pick. Do points matter to us next year? Hard to really buy into the point value when we don't have a high end player we need to match a bid for.

I just said that’s how I expect them to sell it to us. Points not an issue at the moment. I expect that F3 will get Coffield.

Then any generous scribe would say we sold the farm but got three first rounders back Pick 4, Croft & Coffield (former pick 8).

They have to sell it somehow…

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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If the club doesn't have utmost faith in their own internal metrics to be in contention right now, we may as well shut the place down. The club should be disgusted with 2022-2023 being so far off their own internal expectations, and I would personally be more alarmed if they were expecting to continue treading water or descending down the ladder and making safe list management decisions accordingly.

The club should be thinking top 4/premiership in 2024 and planning/acting accordingly. I won't have a go at the club for not being bold enough off-season for 2022-2023 and then for being too bold for 2024.

I get that side of it. But this trade is not the one to make. Picks 10 and 17 alone is near enough to pick 4. Adding a F1 is insanity. I'd prefer not to make the deal at all. It doesn't realistically impact us for 2024 anyway. The kid we draft at pick 4 won't have much impact on our 2024 campaign.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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If the club doesn't have utmost faith in their own internal metrics to be in contention right now, we may as well shut the place down. The club should be disgusted with 2022-2023 being so far off their own internal expectations, and I would personally be more alarmed if they were expecting to continue treading water or descending down the ladder and making safe list management decisions accordingly.

The club should be thinking top 4/premiership in 2024 and planning/acting accordingly. I won't have a go at the club for not being bold enough off-season for 2022-2023 and then for being too bold for 2024.

Fair call.

We blew up to 7 games this year (Port, GC, Geelong, Sydney, GWS, Hawthorn, West Coast). Theoretically it wouldn't take much to reverse that and jump into the top 4.

[hujsh]

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Fair call.

We blew a good 3-5 games this year. Theoretically it wouldn't take much to reverse that and jump into the top 4.

You're right... but looking at the trendline of our form as we finished the year it looks very bleak. Lost to the bottom team, the 3rd from bottom team and barely managed to get over the top of the Geelong seconds. All with Bont in peak form/condition and few if any injuries. It's a bleak omen for 2024.

[Rocco Jones]

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If the club doesn't have utmost faith in their own internal metrics to be in contention right now, we may as well shut the place down. The club should be disgusted with 2022-2023 being so far off their own internal expectations, and I would personally be more alarmed if they were expecting to continue treading water or descending down the ladder and making safe list management decisions accordingly.

The club should be thinking top 4/premiership in 2024 and planning/acting accordingly. I won't have a go at the club for not being bold enough off-season for 2022-2023 and then for being too bold for 2024.

Totally.

I struggle with absoluteness and I know some people throw it around without meaning it. Like just adding some mustard and don't really mean 100%.

Woof I think is as measured as a footy forum gets but I feel so many on here 100% against the decisions made by those in positions of power. If we know better, shut the joint down. I am truly not trying to be defensive, just trying to dig a bit deeper I think. I am not sure we are particularly against decisions as we are short of any faith.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Who could possibly think we're realistically a shot at top 4 when we lost to West Coast at home with finals on the line? This is a brave, brave move.

We can turn things around, sure. But there are risky gambles and then there's this trade.

[Sedat]

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I get that side of it. But this trade is not the one to make. Picks 10 and 17 alone is near enough to pick 4. Adding a F1 is insanity. I'd prefer not to make the deal at all. It doesn't realistically impact us for 2024 anyway. The kid we draft at pick 4 won't have much impact on our 2024 campaign.

I understand the argument you and others are proposing that this trade is skewed to cost more than benefit, but from my perspective I want the club thinking and planning like winners and not for a permanent tomorrow. Bont is in his prime and has another 6-8 years of elite football left, Naughton just committed to the club for life, JUH is making noises of doing the same. We have traded for key position needs the last few drafts and still retain an elite core of mids (agree we need to add to this) as well as mid sized ball users. It is not acceptable for the club to be expecting anything less than high-end contention next year or for the foreseeable future to be honest. That doesn't guarantee the ultimate success of course, but I want the club to die on their feet trying.

The Hawthorn/West Coast fortnight of shame should rightfully be regarded as a tipping point for the entire club, and the mindset has to change for sustainable excellence.

[Rocco Jones]

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Who could possibly think we're realistically a shot at top 4 when we lost to West Coast at home with finals on the line? This is a brave, brave move.

We can turn things around, sure. But there are risky gambles and then there's this trade.

Brave is the word for me

I feel we see 4 as massive and 10 and 17 as relatively weak. It looks crazy without context but context is huge.

[The Underdog]

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Wow. Our blind confidence in finishing top 4 is going to see us make further poor decisions that will cripple our future.

You're forgetting the high end first rounder we'll get for Bailey Smith next year

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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I understand the argument you and others are proposing that this trade is skewed to cost more than benefit, but from my perspective I want the club thinking and planning like winners and not for a permanent tomorrow. Bont is in his prime and has another 6-8 years of elite football left, Naughton just committed to the club for life, JUH is making noises of doing the same. We have traded for key position needs the last few drafts and still retain an elite core of mids (agree we need to add to this) as well as mid sized ball users. It is not acceptable for the club to be expecting anything less than high-end contention next year or for the foreseeable future to be honest. That doesn't guarantee the ultimate success of course, but I want the club to die on their feet trying.

The Hawthorn/West Coast fortnight of shame should rightfully be regarded as a tipping point for the entire club, and the mindset has to change for sustainable excellence.

You make a good counter argument. I still feel this trade is not the one to make with that view.

I suppose you're right though. We may as well be bold. Risk is minimal in this league. The AFEL will hand us all these picks and more anyway if it goes pear shaped.

[G-Mo77]

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Idiotic! I can't believe we're this stupid. Did these guys not watch our form over the last half of teh season, if they think we're going to play finals or even go deep into them they are kidding themselves.