ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

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  • azabob
    Hall of Fame
    • Sep 2008
    • 15305

    Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

    Originally posted by The Pie Man
    From Chris Kaias on Twitter

    'The Western Bulldogs should be very careful about the Prismall situation. All Bulldogs players could face potential Association bans.'

    'They (ASADA) could commence the ADRV (Anti Doping Rules Violations) process against Bulldog players.'

    He is banned from any involvement in sport - crazy the AFL / us would even consider this, let alone make it happen
    Who is Chris Kiais?
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    • westdog54
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 6686

      Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

      Originally posted by azabob
      Who is Chris Kiais?
      Legal expert who has followed the case closely.

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      • azabob
        Hall of Fame
        • Sep 2008
        • 15305

        Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

        Originally posted by westdog54
        Legal expert who has followed the case closely.
        So we are seriously flirting with danger then. This appears to be craziness of the highest order.
        More of an In Bruges guy?

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 66702

          Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

          Originally posted by azabob
          So we are seriously flirting with danger then. This appears to be craziness of the highest order.
          Do you think PG would put us at risk?
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          • Topdog
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2007
            • 7471

            Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

            Originally posted by bornadog
            Do you think PG would put us at risk?
            I don't think he would know how ASADA/WADA would react with 100% certainty.

            Going off what we have been told to date he is doing that.

            No idea why we are even involving AFL. They have nothing to do with it and cannot sanction something on behalf of ASADA/WADA.

            I hope the story is missing bits of info.

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            • azabob
              Hall of Fame
              • Sep 2008
              • 15305

              Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

              Originally posted by bornadog
              Do you think PG would put us at risk?
              Not intentionally. But clearly this is new territory for everyone.

              I still believe we are playing with fire.
              More of an In Bruges guy?

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              • The Pie Man
                Coaching Staff
                • May 2008
                • 3497

                Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

                It's pretty simple to me - there's no grey in this. He's not permitted to be involved in sport until the ban is served. I don't know what conversations the AFL have had with ASADA over this, but it's not their call to make.

                Hope this gets sorted out quick - touch nervous
                Float Along - Fill Your Lungs

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                • Murphy'sLore
                  WOOF Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 2085

                  Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

                  I don't like the sound of this at all. Does anyone have the exact wording of the ban?

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                  • jeemak
                    Bulldog Legend
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 21825

                    Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

                    We have it in writing from the AFL it's OK.

                    Interestingly when questioned by the HUN ASADA referred the question to the AFL under the guise of it being up to them to respond in the first instance as they have governance over their own code.

                    The HUN also states one unnamed AFL (senior) official isn't comfortable with Prismal continuing his role. That reads to me, someone was put on the hop, given minimal facts on the matter throughout the questioning, and states they're not comfortable with the concept given the context in which it was raised.

                    Who's actually read the HUN article?
                    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players



                      This article provides a little detail and less comfort.

                      If discussions with ASADA are ongoing, our decision to employ him whilst banned appears reckless and provocative.

                      If Richard Ings states outright that Prismall's employment is in breach of the rules, I am nervous about this decision.

                      Nothing against Prismall peronally, but having a player currently serving a doping ban as your Player Welfare Officer just doesn't sit right with me, aside from possible WADA ramifications.

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                      • jeemak
                        Bulldog Legend
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 21825

                        Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

                        Thanks for posting PP.

                        I'm backing our understanding and interpretation of the ASADA guidelines over ASADA's.

                        Why couldn't they get a senior person from ASADA to comment, rather than an ex-chief that is unlikely to be close to the nature of Prismal's position?
                        TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                        • Bulldog4life
                          WOOF Member
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 9607

                          Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

                          I think it is the case of "Don't panic Mr. Mainwaring". I am confident that the Club and PG know what they are doing. They know the whole situation we are going on bits and pieces.

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                          • Topdog
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 7471

                            Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

                            WTF it says it in black and white!

                            Are we hanging our hat on welfare officer being a "rehab" program???

                            seriously thin ice.

                            Nothing against Prismall but he should be stood down until talks are finished.

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                            • LostDoggy
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8307

                              Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

                              Originally posted by jeemak
                              Thanks for posting PP.

                              I'm backing our understanding and interpretation of the ASADA guidelines over ASADA's.

                              Why couldn't they get a senior person from ASADA to comment, rather than an ex-chief that is unlikely to be close to the nature of Prismal's position?
                              That's probably right (and humorous), but weighing up the risk versus the reward, it does seem from the outside to be kind of insane. Even if ASADA give us grief and we ultimately win, the draw on resources will be sufficient to have made it a poor call.

                              We seem to be itching to be provocative on this (Crameri is also currently training with 7 banned EFC players, being run by one of Hird's former assistants - again needlessly provocative).

                              Other involved clubs, like Port, StKilda etc, don't seem to be as vocal as PG and Bevo in general support, sympathy of the EFC position.

                              It feels like we are drawing ourself needlessly close to a fight that is not ours and not necessary.

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 66702

                                Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

                                Originally posted by Topdog
                                WTF it says it in black and white!

                                Are we hanging our hat on welfare officer being a "rehab" program???

                                seriously thin ice.

                                Nothing against Prismall but he should be stood down until talks are finished.
                                I don't think so.
                                FFC: Established 1883

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